Some Would Still Deny Deflation’s Irresistible Power

[A subscriber sent me a report last week from a high-powered consulting firm that said odds of deflation were remote. It’s a curious time to be making this argument, given that Europe’s economic implosion has sucked up trillions in stimulus with no discernible effect. One of the reasons that deflation is so poorly understood is that those who should know better persist in characterizing it as a decrease in the money supply. That’s like saying war is a decrease in peace. Both statement are arguably correct, but neither says anything. Who even knows what constitutes money these days, let alone how much of it exists?  If you want to understand deflation better than the eggheads and pundits, you need only focus on its chief symptom: an increase in the real burden of debt.  At a personal level, you’d feel that burden most acutely if the value of your home were to decline. It would be still worse if you’d taken out a second mortgage to put your kids through college. Could something like that happen to millions, if not tens of millions, of Americans? If you answered yes — and you should have, since it actually happened in the U.S., less than a decade ago — then you have implicitly rejected the notion that deflation is only remotely possible.

To further stimulate your thinking about deflation, which I regard not only as inevitable, but as a precursor to any hyperinflationary epiphany of the dollar’s worthlessness, I am reprinting a commentary that appeared here more than a decade ago. The Great Financial Crash has since validated my thesis, although I could hardly have imagined at the time that the banksters would subsequently blow a far bigger bubble that is growing even as I write these words. I published the material below in the heat of an inflation-versus-deflation debate that ultimately grew too rancid for my taste. A well-known economist in the hyperinflationist camp who was in the thick of it later recanted in a private email to me. I won’t name names, but if he ever comes out of the closet it would add a persuasive voice to the deflationist camp. RA]

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I’ve long argued here that the enormous credit blowout begun in the early 1990s can end only in a ruinous global deflation. Although I’ve yet to encounter a serious rebuttal, a deeply flawed argument that keeps popping up hinges on the notion that the Fed will somehow succeed in inflating our debt problems away. This ignores two irrefutable facts: For one, only hyperinflation, which by definition is unsustainable, could effectively wipe out some $200+ trillion [How quaint!] of global debt; and for two, the very process would destroy savers — in this case, mainly bondholders and pensioners — as a class.

A recent note from a Rick’s Picks subscriber illustrates just how the inflationists can go awry. He takes the fallacy of an easy-money bailout a step further, suggesting not merely that inflation rather than deflation will do us in, but that inflation is about to make every American homeowner rich – infinitely rich, if I haven’t misinterpreted his argument. The subscriber writes as follows:

‘Inflation Is…’

“Inflation is defined as an increase in the supply of money. Period. A symptom of inflation is a rise in prices. Just which prices rise depends on many things. Currently it is house prices that are rising, along with commodities. You can have inflation with falling prices (i.e., M3 growth, but with computer prices falling), or vice versa.

“Too many people confuse inflation with the CPI. The CPI is just one measure of the symptoms of inflation. It is not inflation itself, just like rising prices is not inflation. Inflation is an increase in the supply of money. Deflation is a decrease in the supply of money. Over the last few years, M3 has exploded. That’s one reason why house prices have gone up so much (along with low interest rates). I don’t see that stopping. [Emphasis is mine.] Greenspan has stated on more than one occasion that he will inflate when necessary. And boy is he good at it!

“So how are we going to see deflation (i.e., a decrease in the supply of money)? Bear in mind, even in this sort of environment you can still have rising prices in certain items.”

I replied as follows:

An M3 Gusher

Others have used the same definitions for inflation and deflation that the subscriber has used, but they will no longer suffice to explain how the real world works. This was starting to become clear about ten years ago, when monetarists panicked after the Fed deployed an M3 gusher to get us out of the 1990-91 recession. M3 did indeed go bonkers at the time, but the inflationary spiral that they all expected to result never arrived. Or rather, it did — years later, in the form of a stock-market bubble. But few thought to call that inflation.

Mr. Greenspan himself described this accretion of vapors as wealth, and although the ostensible riches vanished along with the dot-com boom, this seems not to have unsettled the Fed chairman’s bizarre notions about how the economy works. In his mind, the “wealth” has simply shifted into real estate, there to remain until it is urgently needed to grow the nation’s stock of capital goods, as he evidently believes is happening now.

Economics ‘Hall of Shame’

If Mr. Greenspan someday joins Prof. Irving Fischer in the economists’ Hall of Shame, it will be because he promoted crackpot ideas about “wealth” like that one. Until then, however, and most unfortunately, tens of millions of Americans living in homes whose prices have doubled or even tripled in recent years will continue to believe they are rich, just as the Fed chairman says. But to return to the point: Suppose the monetary M’s were going wild but there was no observable inflation in the consumer sector. Would economists and pundits still worry about inflation? The answer, as we saw in the early to mid-1990s, is yes, at least for a while. But if the symptoms were so insidiously seductive as a dot-com boom, or so politically incorrect as a rise in the price of gold, who in a policy-making position would deign to acknowledge that inflation even existed? Moreover, although calling an increase in the money supply “inflation” may be technically correct, who cares? It is only the severity of the symptoms that matters. So let’s put M3 aside and imbibe the more tangible dangers of the real world.

Greater Fool-Pool Dwindling?

Most perilous of all, of course, is the housing boom, and I vehemently disagree with your blank assertion that prices in this sector will continue to rise – I paraphrase here – forever. A significant portion of the inflation in real estate is being squandered on consumption, and that simply cannot go on. The supply of greater fools ultimately depends on a push from below, and I somehow doubt that the economy, such as it is, will enable Gen-Xers to push me into a $2 million home. The game is over, and even if a still-rosy statistical picture of the housing market makes this difficult to see, there are other indicators that suggest a credit deflation lies just around the bend.

Bear in mind that Mr. Greenspan’s ability to promote inflation has depended entirely on the eagerness and ability of Americans to keep borrowing. If you think this trend will continue more or less forever, and that it will wax sufficiently to create economic growth over and above the rate if inflation, then I would surmise that you are as out of touch with your friends, neighbors and business associates as Mr. Greenspan evidently is with the physical world.

The Quadrillion-Dollar Home

Make no mistake: K-wave winter has begun, and debt is about to shrink precipitously as forced saving increases commensurately. Anyone who wants to bet against this prediction need only trade up to a much bigger house. As those of us who are now beginning to hunker down would profess, it is still all too easy to do. Regarding your question of how the money supply will decrease, the answer is elemental: An epic wave of bankruptcies will cause zeroes to disappear from the global balance sheet much faster than the central banks can get us to borrow those zeroes back into existence. Or maybe I’m wrong, and my house will actually be “worth” $1,000,000,000,000,000 someday. After all, it’s happened before. Just not recently. Or here.

I heard back from the subscriber, Jonathan O., concerning the above. Here’s our final exchange, starting with his comments:

“OK, first we need to understand what inflation is. If you term it as rising prices and deflation as falling prices, then we will always be experiencing inflation and deflation simultaneously. Never just one or the other. There are always items which are falling in value and others which are rising. In 1990-1992 we experienced falling real estate values in the UK – I never heard of any talk of deflation. Electronic prices are always almost falling. Gasoline prices go up and down.

Real Estate vs. Gold

“I don’t think real estate is going to go up ad infinitum. I do not believe, though, that it is going to plummet. It will probably go sideways to slightly down. Steve Saville put it cleverly by saying that in nominal terms real estate will probably go sideways, but in terms of gold, it will plummet wildly, as the dollar loses much of its value over the next five to ten years.

“Another thing: Gold goes up when confidence in fiat money declines, which is often because of inflation. That’s exactly what has happened the last few years.

“Your comments re Greenspan’s inflating indefinitely being dependent on the U.S. consumer being willing to take credit does make sense. I like your argument here – lots of people are relying on the U.S. government to bail them out whenever necessary.

My reply:

$237 Trillion Implosion

Public, private and corporate debt in the U.S. currently total about $37 trillion, not including unfunded liabilities. In addition, aggregate notional borrowing via financial derivatives amounts to a little more than $200 trillion globally. These sums obviously dwarf whatever monetary nostrums policymakers may have in mind to keep the U.S. and world economies marginally afloat. While we may have some relatively piddling price increases in gypsum wallboard, cocoa beans, copper and such in the coming months, and although housing prices could eke out modest gains over that time, these last-gasp symptoms of price inflation will be as nothing in comparison to the irresistible power of $237 trillion worth of debt imploding.

To repeat yet again something the late C.V. Myers wrote in his 1977s book, The Coming Deflation: “Ultimately, every penny of every debt must be paid – if not by the borrower, then by the lender.” Considering the cosmic sums involved, nothing less than hyperinflation or full-blown deflation will suffice to discharge our debts. Whichever occurs, the hard lesson we will be forced to re-learn is that debt is not metaphysical, and neither is money.

  • mava June 15, 2015, 4:21 pm

    Rick, the real estate is not going to collapse until the hyperinflation has run it’s course. Why do you think it will? It only has to collapse if the borrowers can’t pay their mortgage payment. But this is not the case in hyperinflation.

    I remember, for instance that in USSR, the workers pay went up in price very fast during the hyperinflation, and so did the real estate. As soon as food prices started to rise, workers refused to show up for work. Once the workers pay started to rise, it was a matter of child’s play to pay the mortgage, even though the interest rates went up too. This is because you got paid so much more that you paid literally half of your debt from just one salary check!

    People who sold property have lost everything, and people who bought it, ended up being able to pay it off in few paychecks. Sellers wealth went to buyers hands, because the deal was done in the inflating currency. If you have sold a house, just a week later you could not buy even a half of it back for the money you got. At the same time, the buyers were able to double the payment that same week later.

    Same here, you have seen the politicians already promising to raise the minimum wage to $15 by some year ahead. Well, this is only the beginning. They gonna start raising that minimum wage faster and faster and to a greater and greater degree, and with it, the rest of the wage structure will start going up and up and up. I mean we don’t have to even guess, this much we can already see them promising us.

    So, you will be able to pay your remaining say, two thirds of a mortgage in say five paychecks, and then you will own the house. No default, technically. It’s the sellers that are going to take a loss, but they will also be (likely) made whole by special programs from the government. No need to change to lease, as all those mortgages are written in dollar terms. And keep in mind, that the government would not even raise the rates in the beginning, until the inflation had eaten away so much of the government debt that with then current revenues the debt is a joke to pay. Then they will try to raise the rates. The home ownership curve will shot to the skies.

    Inflation helps the debtor. This is why the US even has the inflation – oriented economics (with Keynes and all that gang), – because the US government is a world biggest debtor. This is true no matter what debtor it is, the government or the homeowner, the inflation is their friend. Fergusson too, says that Jews did very good because they understood this mechanics.

    As soon as this is going to start happening, the dollar is going to lose it’s reserve currency status, so there goes that condition. Or the other way around, as soon as the dollar is refused internationally, “the Hy-I” will begin.

    Also, look how many times the hyperinflation had happened in different countries. Every one had different conditions, – not all of them had exact Weimar situation with the labor and the government etc. And yet, it happened in all of them just the same.

    We already have a super-massive collusion between the US government and the entire population. Is new creative accounting not a sign of collusion? Are bank bailouts not collusion? What about all the programs that help bad people to stay in their houses (they should have never bought in the first place), – not a collusion? The suspension of the contract law, where suddenly it started to matter that the signing party was either too stupid or even too lazy to even read the contract before signing into terms, – and the government allowed this to break the contract, was this not a collusion on a super-massive scale? So called “predatory lending”, where all of a sudden it’s a lender’s job to see that the debtor makes the right decision? Not a collusion? The entire market is in a state of collusion with the government already.

    As for the plans of the government employees, when the massive crying starts they will be partially bailed out. They will not hold anywhere close to the promised purchasing value, but they will be partially helped. So, if the purchasing power of someone’s pension today is , say 500,000 dollars, they will have only 50,000 by the time all is said and done, but if the government didn’t bail them out, they would be more like 5000 or even 500 dollars. Of course, on the other side of inflation these 50,000 of purchasing power will still look like 800,000 or 8,000,000 nominally.
    When the crying starts this will become much more feasible politically, because the question will become literally about the very survival of all these government-paid people.

    Hyperinflation is a process where the lender pays large. Who is the lender? The working people, and they have always have been. They will pay thru the nose for the debts of every kind. They will be made naked in this process. Uncle Sam will simply keep borrowing and pay back in ever inflated dollars. The rich will do the same as Uncle Sam. The poor will acquire multiple zeroes but loose all purchasing power during this, paying the piper.

    From a massive empire, the US will turn into a humble big country with lots of really madly angry people. It will loose everything internationally, but it will retain the complete, dictatorial control over it’s impoverished citizenry. The anger will never find a proper outlet, a proper explanation, and will never turn on the government. Instead, it will turn on those who somehow managed to do good during this.

    This is assuming that the US will not be able to start a world war as an excuse for what had happened.

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    Home ‘owners’ are not going to get the opportunity to pay off their mortgages with wallet money, Mava; nor will workers’ pay catch up with inflation, let alone with hyperinflation. RA

  • lin June 14, 2015, 4:00 pm

    Folks, To see where we are going is easy.-Look at japan,that’s where we’re headed. Until the workers + retirees get much more $ in their hands, as George Bush said in 2008 ” this sucker’s going down “.The boomers took care of their parents + grandparents with lots of financial help. Whose going to help the aging boomers ? That’s right , No one. .Barack Obama’s statement several months ago of ” We can’t keep spending money on non-productive citizens “. What happened to the trillions in the SSecurity trust fund, that increased q year, or so 1980’s + 1990’s ? They spent it on the non-ending wars + high end military retirements, more than 2x what SS pays. Non-productive my ass !. I worked 2 jobs, 72 hrs/week, paid the max into SS, later years + now I’m told ” go to hell “The folks with 1/2 a brain have shut their wallets + as George W Bush said, ” this suckers going down”

  • mava June 12, 2015, 2:20 pm

    I happen to have it. Did you arrive to that conclusion yourself, or was it a conclusion offered by Fergusson somewhere in the book?
    If it was, I must have overlooked it, because I see exactly the opposite in that book, I see us repeating all the logical steps one by one on our way to hyperinflation.

    Fergusson states somewhere in the epilogue, that the cause of the hyper-inflation wasn’t technical at all. He points at a multitude of points at which banks and factories could have been left bankrupt and Germany could have been saved. This is and was the case here as well.

    But he says that in his opinion, the sole reason was in the fact that for too long of a time in Germany, for many, the easiest option was the preferred one, until it become the preferred one for everyone. This is exactly what is going on here. We just can’t have people paying the piper. No way. We have declared that the consequences of actions no longer exist.

    We then must meet the same punishment.

    I agree, of course, that for us there will be no Rentenmark, that does not matter to me how we are going to come out of it. What matter to me is to know ahead of time that our money is about to lose value precipitously.

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    Read Fergusson’s description of how the money actually got into the hands of workers. This “small” detail has been overlooked on a billion web pages purporting to describe the Weimar hyperinflation. You will find that from a logistical standpoint, the U.S. lacks the physical, legal and political infrastructure to facilitate a hyperinflation. For one, it required massive collusion between the German government and a largely unionized workforce. Fortnightly wage settlements were coordinated with shipments of money via boxcars to the largest employers. For two, most consumer spending in the U.S. is with credit cards that would be rendered unusable within minutes of a truly seismic financial event. And for three, the world was not using German currency as a global reserve.

    Any attempt to inflate the dollar in order to keep ALL short-term debts rolling forward, and to keep the transactions economy from freezing, would fail simply because it would create hyperinflation instantaneously. It took Germany months to turn mere inflation into hyperinflation, and the very gradualness of the process was what made hyperinflation possible.

    A key aspect of America’s impending bankruptcy will involve pension an healthcare benefits for public employees. The plans are already hugely underfunded, but imagine how they’d look in a bear market. Now try to imagine the political and monetary ramifications of a federal bailout.

    Also, here’s a question I’ve asked in this forum 50 times without eliciting any answers: In the coming real estate collapse, what will happen to mortgage debt? There is only one possible answer — mortgages will have to be rewritten as lease agreements — and this would bring deflation, not inflation. RA

  • mava June 11, 2015, 11:50 am

    If the recent monetary inflation has failed to generate any recovery, then this is only due to
    the bankers desire to “keep the reflation sterilized”, i.e. to escape the consequent price inflation.
    As we say in Russian, the FED wants both, to “sit on the dick and to eat the fish”. This is impossible.
    The FED will fail with respect to that.

    It is a complete insanity, this desire of theirs.
    To desire the economic activity to increase because the money supply was increased, but
    at the same time to desire the price levels to NOT rise, is the same as to want to cook the chicken by (note this) rising it’s temperature, yet, not wanting the chicken to get hot. “Rising temperature” is the same as “getting hotter”!

    The increasing price levels are simply the side view of what in the frontal view may appear as
    “recovery”! These people must be complete idiots. They must actually believe in Keynes!
    This is funny, as the previous generations were a lot wiser. They just made it look like they
    believe Keynes, all the while knowing that it is a quackery. These idiots today, like Bernanke, must actually think that the increased economic activity that is spawned by monetary expansion
    is NOT simply the utilization of extraction of purchasing power from the unsuspecting players in the system!
    They must actually think its something real in order to expect this sterilized money supply increase to result in anything real, and thus to generate economic production, and thus
    to stop the deflation of credit organically.

    But no mater. They will inflate without any sterilization, once they are on the precipice.
    They will throw away any theories and any caution when there are system failures.
    They will rather hyper-inflate than succumb to deflation. Remember, that the wealth of TPTB is in assets, not in currency. Thus, faced with options to ‘deflate and wither’ or ‘inflate and survive’, they will inflate, at last.

    This is why we will go down in hyperinflation and not in deflation.
    All that is going on right now is their attempt to hold the system alive.
    Once they see that the deflation is near, and that their effort to reflate without consequences
    are failing to reboot the system, they will write the system off and just worry about their personal wealth. I am betting on this. My traps are set.
    I am betting on them to run like rats and to not make a stand.

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    Mava, writing on the inflation/deflation theme, I’ve spent 20 years trying to explain why a dollar hyperinflation is not possible, at least not by way of a deliberate political decision. I still recommend Adam Fergusson’s “When Money Dies” to those who cannot see why this should be so. Concerning TPTB, they are the lenders in this bubble. They stand to get obliterated in a hyperinflation, and that’s why they cannot be rooting for it. Yes, the rentiers will also own our homes. But squeezing rent from tenants amidst 50 million personal bankruptcies may not be as lucrative as you think. Also, their ‘wealth’ is much more in financial assets than in physical assets. It’s not as though the rich are heavily in gold and farm land. Mainly, they are in private equity funds and such. From where I’m sitting, private equity funds don’t seem any smarter than the rest of us. You need only compare BlackRock’s portfolio to Buffett’s to see the truth of this. RA

  • John Jay June 9, 2015, 7:46 am

    Rick,

    Around the time of his deportation to Italy, mobster Lucky Luciano granted an interview in which he described a visit to the floor of the New York Stock Exchange. After he visited the floor of the NYSE someone explained to him the role of the floor specialist, he commented, “A terrible thing happened. I realized I’d joined the wrong mob.”

    Yes, “F You, pay me.” is right out of “Goodfellas.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ydqjqZ_3oc

    Bonus clip, Inspector Clouseau at a bank robbery,
    Sellers and Lomas at their finest!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnlIWpZSPXU

    We all need some laughs, yeah?

  • mava June 9, 2015, 2:10 am

    “Moreover, although calling an increase in the money supply “inflation” may be technically correct, who cares? It is only the severity of the symptoms that matters. So let’s put M3 aside and imbibe the more tangible dangers of the real world.”

    I want to understand what is going on exactly and precisely.
    If the increase in money supply is an inflation, then the increase in price level is not the inflation, and vice versa.
    Two different phenomena cannot be referred to by the same term. One or another must be chosen.
    We can’t call both the dollar and the yuan as “the dollar”, even if they are sometimes relate by the process of being converted to each other.
    I have no doubt R.A. will not argue this point. (He meant “who cares which one will do us in)

    Now. once we agree that we need a separate terminology for a different phenomena, then we need only to decide which is which.
    It matters not, whether the rising prices will be called an inflation or the expanding money supply.

    But it matters a lot that only one is called “the inflation” and not the other.

    Watch out for the “snake oil salesmen” of economists. These will assume you’re dumb and
    they will actually refer to both phenomena as “the inflation”, through their speech or video.
    You can watch this happening on Youtube. These are propagandists – workers sent out to
    corrupt our minds (unless they are just stupid, – which is impolite to assume).

    One moment they are talking about the prices, and another moment they are talking about the money supply.
    If you force them to keep separate terminology however, their economic arguments, of course, become easily seen as foolish.

  • mava June 9, 2015, 1:39 am

    “As you noted banks create money when they lend. That’s the fun part. By the same token money disappears when loans are repaid or defaulted.”

    Repaid, – YES, technically, it should. However it does not! How do you think the banks become leveraged 1 to 100 and higher? because they “failed” to extinguish the repaid credit, that’s how.
    There is only one reason to ignore the reserve ratio requirement.

    If you had a magic power to create a 100 dollar bill just because RA gave you 10 dollar bill and I need a loan, when I repay, would you just light up a cigar with the repaid 100 bill? No! Unless there is something wrong with you, you won’t destroy it. You’d keep it (magic!) and split with the auditor, that’s what you would do.

    This is why it is important to use gold as money, because it is not enough to trust the people not to make magic, it is necessary to make it impossible to make magic!

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    Defaulted – NO. In default, the mechanism is halted and the credit becomes permanent.
    If the money could disappear because the borrower defaulted, there would be no bankruptcies; instead, such system could not work to begin with. What you meant may-be, that instead, in default, the lender’s ability to issue EVEN MORE money is diminished (but again, only if he cares about observing the reserve ratio, which we can see no one cares about).

  • John Jay June 9, 2015, 12:51 am

    Inflation?
    Well, I just came from my Ophthalmologist, and my co-pay went from $40 to $65 in 6 months.
    SCE electric rates just went up.
    PUC ruled it is OK for them to charge the schmucks for the San Onofre Nuclear Plant shutdown.
    And so on and so forth.

    Rick, there is a simple solution to the giant derivatives overhang.
    The GS/JPM gang can simply have Uncle Sam declare all those “Contracts” they sell as “Illegal Gambling ” and, as such, unenforceable under “The Law”.
    The market crashes, and everyone long Puts gets told: “Sorry, old boy, ruled illegal.”
    Gold spikes?
    Same deal.
    They just will not pay off, and Congress has proved with the TARP passage that they do not care if the phones calls/faxes are running ten thousand to one against it.
    Call it the “Goodfellas Solution”
    You know, “F you, pay me!”

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    There was this guy — a 20-something piece of human crud with day-glo green hair — hanging out on the Pearl Street Mall Sunday, holding a large sign that said ‘F*** You, Pay Me!’ So, the line is from ‘Goodfellas’, you say? RA

  • mava June 8, 2015, 10:13 pm

    Bankruptcies cannot cause problems in fiat regime. Suppose a bank had lost somehow 100 trln dollars and is now going bk. What exactly stops the government from issuing 100 trln to this bank’s account? What, the government is going to say: “We would rather implode in deflationary collapse right now, than to create more digital zeroes and explode in inflationary collapse tomorrow, when someone else is in our chairs!” ?

    So, if you cannot argue this point, than maybe you can show why would the government have some sort of technical difficulty in entering those zeroes into the system? For instance, there are not enough zero fields in the software.

    May-be you like to think that this won’t happen because the other countries would disagree? Two points here: 1) They already know and they are already dumping us, which is why the bank is going bankrupt. 2) We don’t need to tell anyone. I assume that about 10% of newly created currency is reported through accounting. This is way too easy to understand for any beginner bureaucrat, and they are all doing it, otherwise there is no way this system would lasted as long as it did – the money creation numbers that they would had to report would send Chinese running as early as 1980.

    Do you read the news? Do you see all the talk about cash-less society? No, this is not to enforce the taxes, this is not to stop the black markets, and this is definitely not to prevent the run on the banks!
    There is no such thing as a run on the bank in fiat regime. We can always issue more and more zeroes to stand against any run on the bank, we will only have to say that there is not enough physical cash to give each and everyone of you, but here is the digital transfer to another bank if you want, and yes they do have cash, go get it.

    So, I disagree with all the current proposals to explain why we would move to ban cash!
    None make sense tio me and I have to offer my own explanation:

    The only reason, I think, to remove the cash is to prevent what can happen in fiat regime: THE PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE TO USE OTHER CURRENCIES !

    So, what we can see here is that the government of the US had already decided to proceed as following:
    – all debts that are not payable and threaten the systemic collapse will be paid by newly issued money given to the payer by the us government.
    – this will create the environment of dollar prices rising on some categories of goods, and certainly gold and silver.
    – us will become economically isolated from other countries because of this.
    – the purchasing power of regular (unconnected) us citizens will fall drastically in terms of foreign goods.
    – us citizens will fall down quickly in terms of their earnings power as compared to the world.
    – us citizens would want to transact in other currencies that would allow them to keep their purchasing power somewhat intact.
    – us citizens will not be allowed to use any other currencies that do not peg to the falling dollar.
    – to enforce this, the use of cash will be banned and all accounts will have to be digital under the us rules.
    – this will un-glue various types of underground transactions where they border with legal transactions.
    – these underground elements will attempt to force use the cash.
    – us law enforcement will have to declare martial (covertly or overtly) law to combat the use of cash as a means of escape.
    – us will turn into a giant concentration camp, but the powers that be will be able to retain their ownership of this country.
    – they will be able to control it’s economic output and use it to their own benefit.
    – eventually, they will be able to use the low wages to attract production from the world.
    – but this will be done as in china, the government will own us all, and we will be allowed to participate in government business by working in the factories for slave wages.
    – freedom will not be allowed ever again, as it would immediately require “the payment to the piper” will would result in TPTB being replaced.

  • BC June 8, 2015, 9:32 pm

    As you noted banks create money when they lend. That’s the fun part. By the same token money disappears when loans are repaid or defaulted. This is the underlying force that explains the deflation that is coming. If government does not compensate by printing this deflation will render the banking system insolvent just as occurred in the Great Depression. This threatens the payment system which will freeze up. Government will find this unacceptable so they will print at a rate sufficient to offset this debt deflation by enough to keep the Payment system running i.e. enough to keep the TBTF banks from failing. On balance there will still be net deflation. Asset prices will fall. Homes will be foreclosed. There will be much gnashing of teeth and rending of garments. It will be hard times.
    Eventually however social cohesion will fray and it is quite possible a populist Hugo Chavez type politico may arise. In that scenario wealth confiscation and redistribution are likely. Printing is a favorite tool for this purpose. It wrecks your economy just as surely as a payment system collapse so it’s a terrible idea but I expect it will happen.

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    What rate is “sufficient” to “offset” the inevitable implosion of the quadrillion dollar derivatives bubble the banksters have created? Keep in mind that blowing that bubble to a notional $1,000,000,000,000,000 valuation over a relatively short period of time has failed to generate any economic growth whatsoever in Europe and only minimal economic growth in the U.S. Japan’s “offset” hasn’t work so well either. Moreover, it is requiring INCREASING amounts of asset inflation globally just to keep deflation barely at bay.

    Like PhotoRadarScam, who posted elsewhere on the page, you seem to be implying that a quadrillion dollar asset bubble tied to a mere $70 trillion global economy can be unwound in a controlled way by the same economic morons and mountebanks who created it.

    I’ll stick with my prediction that the debt unwind will come via a global cascade of defaults, and that this tsunami of deflation will be over in just a few days — far too quickly for the clowns at the Fed and their political-hack friends even to pretend they are reacting. RA

  • PhotoRadarScam June 8, 2015, 5:05 am

    When there is true inflation, the common consensus will be to purchase now vs later because there is visible and noticeable price increases. When there is true deflation, the common consensus will be to wait to buy things because the price will be lower in the future. Right now I see nothing but rising prices. But prices are not rising so much as to influence timing on any purchases except for perhaps housing.

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    Ahh, a crazy optimist! You are describing a rational process that would unfold over weeks and months. This has become impossible due to the size of the bubble. There will be no common consensus when it is pricked — only panic, then a decade or more of deepening despair. RA

  • BC June 8, 2015, 3:42 am

    Money has two functional definitions. On one hand a dollar is defined by its purchasing power for goods and services mediated by banks through the payment system. On the other hand a dollar is a balance sheet unit of measure denoting the exchange value of financial assets. In theory these two definitions are close in meaning because the expected cash flows from financial assets which can be used to purchase goods and services are thought to be linked to the market valuation of the asset that generates that cash flow. For example over centuries the value of housing has typically been about 100 times the monthly rental income of same wether measured in dollars or quatloos. By extension the value of all financial assets in aggregate is proportional to the dollar denominated value of the aggregate purchasing power of the cash flows generated by those assets. Right now that constant of proportionality is way out of whack. I’m told my house is worth 300 times its monthly fair market rental cost. My equities are worth 20 to 30 times trailing earnings in aggregate and some like Tesla are worth infinitely more. My treasury bonds are worth about a hundred times their nominal yield.
    To return asset prices to historical norms either asset prices must fall or the purchasing power of their cash flows must fall by for example currency dilution. Both options suck. From an institutional perspective we do not have the social machinery (bankruptcy courts, safety nets, churches) to manage asset price collapse in anything approximating a controlled reset. When governments find themselves in such an uncontrollable institutional overload the answer historically has been to lop
    A few zeros off the currency and start over. Such a vertical step jump in purchasing power is hard to categorize as either inflation or deflation because many important financial ratios are undefined during the sudden reset. It’s more like you go to bed on Sunday thinking house prices and rents are X and you wake up Monday morning and your savings are simply gone and your house value in the new currency is Y and rents are Z and Y/Z is now much closer to 100 months. In short I’m saying there will be a global currency reset in which asset prices and corresponding cash flows will become redefined by government fiat and words like inflation and deflation will become contextually meaningless. Governments will choose this path over hyperinflation and over mass bankruptcy. Just study the history of Argentina. It’s all there.

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    I have addressed each of these points many, many times over the years, but let me try again:

    1. Read Adam Fergusson’s “When Money Dies” to understand why a dollar hyperinflation cannot possibly happen in the U.S., at least not by political design. The U.S. is NOT Weimar, where it took massive collusion between the government and trade unions to effect hyperinflation in the wage structure and consumer economy. Ironically, the steepest spikes during the 18-month Weimar hyperinflation occurred when the government’s money-printing presses were idled twice due to labor strikes. The companies themselves printed scrip during these times to meet payroll. This procedure had been authorized by statute to avoid riots if for some reason the boxcars full of money that were used to pay workers didn’t reach their destinations on time.

    2. Nor is the U.S. Argentina, where hyperinflation has become a political tradition and workers are more or less prepared for it to happen in the middle of the night.

    3. Argentina’s currency is not the world’s reserve.

    4. It is not enough to talk about a ‘reset’ without explaining how mortgage debt will be treated. In plain fact, there can be only one answer to this question: mortgages will be rewritten as lease agreements — a solution that would be crushingly deflationary, not inflationary.

    5. Your word “reset” avoids ALL of the details. Please explain, for one, how PUBLIC EMPLOYEE health care and pension benefits will be paid, post-reset. If with printing-press money, explain how this will work (or not), and how all those who would NOT be bailed out — i.e. private employees — might fare/react.

    No “theoretical” stuff, please. I want to know how our biggest, manifestly unpayable debts and liabilities are likely to be discharged. The only thing that is certain is that the process will ultimately follow from C.V. Myers’ dictum: “Every penny of every debt must be paid — if not by the borrower, then by the lender.”

    We do not escape our debts, nor their consequences. If hyperinflation comes, it will do so only after deflation has punished the wicked in accordance with their individual sins. That will be the sole “virtue” of the coming deflationary collapse.

    RA