T-Bonds Headed Under 2% as Deflation’s Noose Tightens

Yale’s Robert Shiller believes a bond crash is coming, although he stops short of saying when or why. In a recent interview with CNBC, the Nobel Prize-winning economist offered no rationale for a collapse in T-bonds other than that yields are too low. Well, yes, they’ve been held near zero by the Federal Reserve for several years, and there is nothing normal about that. Obviously, something’s got to give. As the late Herb Stein famously said, if something can’t go on forever, it will stop. But when? And why? Shiller’s interviewer did not think to press him for an answer, although he’s a full-fledged oracle in a mainstream-news world where anyone who uses the word “crash” risks being treated like a circus freak.

Yelds will fall

To be sure, the crashes Shiller is credited with predicting correctly were the easy ones. Quite a few gurus in the not-ready-for-prime-time blog world saw them coming – shouted warnings from the rooftops, as the record will attest. Even the village idiot could have seen the housing crash coming (although, as John Paulson demonstrated, it took a devious kind of genius to figure out how to cash in on it). But when you predict, as Shiller has, that the T-bond market will collapse – which is to say, deflate or hyperinflate itself into oblivion — you are effectively forecasting the end of the financial world as we know it. That kind of talk may not fly on CNBC, but in the blog world it is a given not only that a collapse is inevitable, but that anyone who argues that it can be postponed indefinitely is unworthy of a thinking person’s attention.

The Big One

My guess is that although Shiller sees the Big One coming, he has stopped short of describing the endgame, even in his latest book, because he doesn’t want to be relegated to the lunatic fringe. Peter Schiff, another high-profile seer, seems less concerned about how he appears, perhaps because his huge success as an author and public speaker allows him to laugh all the way to the bank regardless of what he’s saying. However, as has become much clearer over the last two years, his forecast of hyperinflation is at odds with the reality of a deflationary bust that has been gathering irresistible force in Europe, Japan, and now even China.

To finish Shiller’s thought, if I may be so bold, and speaking as a hard-core deflationist, the collapse to which he has alluded is by now inevitable — but not before deflation has wrung out some of the very biggest players, including U.S. multinational banks and manufacturers, far beyond the point of mere pain, as has started to occur. This is happening because of the dollar’s wholly unforeseen, largely unwanted and by-now-out-of-control strength. The trend is only in its adolescence, and I don’t expect it to climax until yields on the 30-Year Bond fall below 2%. This is clear in the chart above, which shows T-bond rates falling from a current 2.62% to at least 1.97%. With just a small adjustment in the chart, and using our proprietary Hidden Pivot Method of analysis, it’s possible to project a further decline in long-term rates to as low as 1.63%. My hunch is that if yields drop to that level, it will be on a fleeting spike caused by a global panic into U.S. Treasury paper and other dollar assets.

Finally, Hyperinflation’s Turn

Hyperinflation could occur at any time thereafter, particularly if the Fed attempts to monetize not only financial assets, as it has been doing, but the cash needs of city, state and federal governments strapped to meet pension and health care obligations. Meanwhile, it should be obvious to all, including eggheads, Nobelists and central bankers, that although monetization works for levitating ethereal financial assets, at least for a while, it cannot possibly suffice to pay the very real monthly bills of 40 million households dependent on retirement benefits.

  • Jason S February 19, 2015, 7:15 pm

    Rick, thanks for posting that Ambrose Evans-Pritchard article. It is great insight and analysis of the situation. Im surprised 82% of Greeks haven’t turned to ISIS by now.

  • mava February 18, 2015, 10:36 pm

    This whole concept actually seals our fate.

    I mean our understanding that for a multitude of reasons the interest rates will not be allowed to rise, does inform us that we must be expecting more and more business ventures to fail more and more often and with increasing frequency.

    From Mises, we know that the meaning of interest rates to an entrepreneur is a proxy indicator for the availability and of level of saved consumer goods. If the interest rates are low, then it must be that the consumers have abstained from consuming said goods and saved quite a bit. This, in turn, means that there is a reasonable expectation that the business process he intends to undertake has a good chance to complete before that supply of consumer goods runs out and the venture must stop to allow laborers to concentrate on more immediate survival tasks.

    The fact that the FED keeps the rates low, means that they would have been higher otherwise, meaning that the savings level is nowhere near what an entrepreneur assumes it to be, and that the either the price of savings must rise (interest rate) or the savings shortage must be experienced, later during his yet incomplete process, which will ruin his production cycle, and cause him to liquidate.

    The FED and the Keynesians, while sure they can print with abandon, do forget that even though they can print notes, they can’t print milk and butter. So, while their keeping the rates lower does adjust the needle of the gauge higher, it does not in fact increase the level of the fuel in the tank.

    This increasing gravity and frequency of coming business failures, should be reflected in falling revenues and that should affect the interest on government paper.

    If the latter is not to be, then expect more and more meddling with the former (statistics). We should see wider and wider spread between what is reported and the reality.

    Taking this to its ultimate end, then, we should see the US collapsing one day without warning, amid rose colored economic reports and inspiring forecasts, apparently for no reason. (This reminds me of how it felt in the last days of Soviet Union).

    Therefore, until the day people would need their gold, the price for it is likely to creep down or remain stagnant. The business environment would still give no direct indication of coming collapse, but will instead feel like a wonderland where the real burden of debt is crushing those already in the business for no apparent reason and against all forecasts. And that, is exactly what R.A. is talking about.

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    As indeed I am, Mava. Thanks for putting some meat on the bones of my argument. RA

    • Jason S February 19, 2015, 6:52 pm

      Mava,

      What scares me about your post is the following: “The FED and the Keynesians, while sure they can print with abandon, do forget that even though they can print notes, they can’t print milk and butter.”

      You are right but unfortunately they can control milk and butter production and distribution vis-à-vis communist-like central authority. Is it a stretch to think that in a crisis as outlined our masses of ill informed plebeians wouldn’t scream command and control policies from the rooftops? Our plutocrats would be all too happy to oblige us the shackles we beg for. The script writers for Star Wars are prescient, “So this is how liberty dies… with thunderous applause.”

      • mava February 20, 2015, 9:49 am

        Yes, of course you’re right.

        Technically speaking, when we have a crisis on the scale that stops the division of labor (DOL), then the population must be reduced, because the economy without the DOL is unable to support what was supported previously. This could be achieved through war, or it could be achieved like Stalin did, by starving the part of the population to death. (When Soviets stopped the Russian economic machine dead cold with their Bolshevik revolution, Stalin knew there is no way a socialist economy could support as many people as much frier Tzarist economy supported, so he starved millions to death quickly, before the shortages spread out to the entire population and upset his power hold.)

        Another interesting take on this is what we see daily in propaganda. We see the government and activists promoting two ideas again and again:

        Recycling and Population Reduction.

        Let me make it very clear, there is no and cannot possibly be any resource problem, and the population can be as big as the economy can feed. People can live on Mars, there is no reason why not.

        The true reason why the propaganda is that while evil and dumb, the socialist do learn some lessons. In this case they seemed to finally understand that when they succeed installing socialism again, the economic output will drop precipitously. So, what they hope to do this time is to:

        a) Reduce economic output ahead of time through insisting on unproductive and wasteful activities such as “Recycling”, and b) reduce population ahead of that output drop.

        The way the socialist sees this is always the same: It is true that the people must die anyway, but better some die sooner then all suffer and be disappointed in the regime.

  • John Jay February 18, 2015, 2:38 am

    As the size of the US Debt, public and private continues to grow, that debt will dictate what interest rates must be.
    There is no longer any Bond, Commodity, or Stock Market in the old time sense of the word “Market”.
    There is only a massive, continuous, intervention by the CBs and the Oligarchs.
    At the margins of worldwide public and private debt, ZIRP is already morphing into NIRP.

    I watch Connecticut R E prices North and East of the Greenwich to Fairfield market.
    And prices are drifting down due to CT losing population and jobs for years, and more relevant to this discussion, because property taxes are at obscene levels.
    So anything a regular working guy saves in mortgage payments goes right to the town tax collector.
    Even with declining school populations, taxes just keep going up every year, “for the children” of course.
    And, adding insult to injury, CT has about the highest utility rates in the nation.

    My point is, with jobs harder and harder to find, and wages for those with a job stagnant there is no discretionary income in the system to enable hyperinflation.
    If house prices deflate, local property taxes will go up to claim the savings.
    Any money Joe Six Pack has in his paycheck is already spoken for.
    So, the only way to keep the whole Fantasy Financial League online will be for perpetually lower interest rates.
    That tail will be wagging the dog from now on.

  • Sutton February 17, 2015, 6:29 pm

    Big City real estate is more Hyper than De And food prices are stuck at high levels. Gas is 2 now but not 1 . And yes computers/ phones are cheap- but now it is necessary to bear the enormous monthly connection charges.

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    You’re in the wrong forum if you want to trot out tired old arguments about what I refer to as lettuce-bin inflation. Price inflation, even when you add in health care and college tuition, is piddling in comparison to the deflationary juggernaut represented by the financial system’s quadrillion-dollar derivatives bubble. More to the point, higher prices are an inert component of inflation if real wages remain stagnant. If workers have to pay more for something, they can only do so by buying less of something else. RA

  • mava February 17, 2015, 5:54 pm

    Definitions, definitions…

    We are all talking different languages here, when predicting inflation, deflation and such. It took me quite a while to understand that when you, R.A., talk about deflation, you do not mean the text book definition, or what is today referred as “monetary deflation”. Bunch of other forecasters all seem to talk about the same two words, but mean each their own thing.

    Peter Schiff, my absolute most favorite economist, (honesty certainly doesn’t pay, but I prefer it) talks about inflation as defined long ago, i.e. monetary inflation, and that has been happening all along. He rejects a possibility of monetary deflation, but that doesn’t have anything to do with deflation as you define it.

    I am at loss, sometimes, trying to understand why do we need such a disorder with the terms. I think that by misleading each-other intentionally or unintentionally, we all helping the FED, or common enemy.

    Someone predicts Gold to go as low as 900? May God bless him and make him right. I certainly need more.

    And it may be, just watch the daily propaganda and read thru the lines – we are hell bent on destroying the entire world, on the premise that if America can’t fix itself or if it is too late to fix America, then the only way for America to escape Peter Schiff’s prophecies is to make the rest of the world an absolute hellhole. The two prong approach, to destabilize as many regions as possible by removing the governments that did kept them in check, and then later to assume control after an world-welcomed “necessary” interventions in chaos and have America to control oil to support the petrodollar, just might work.

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    The terms of the discussion are disordered because we’ve never been here before, not even remotely. We can no longer even measure money supply, much less control it, because money and credit have taken so many arcane forms. Hell, even Brazilian ‘reverse floaters’ are fungible in the financial world — a leveraged bet against a bet that you can hock 20 times…can leverage into the billions of dollars without creating even a faint ripple on a sea of hyperleveraged bank-system debt. RA

  • JF February 17, 2015, 3:07 pm

    Hi Rick,
    thought you’d like this link to a commenter over at Seeking Alpha who presents a good deflation read. Went through all of his posts back to early 2013 to verify his calls on TLT, gold, stocks etc. He’s a big-picture guy who sees a rapid deflationary correction in stocks to 2008 levels or lower, gold to 900 or lower, TLT to 155 – 160, dollar to 120 – 140, and a central bank response led by the Fed of 10 – 15 trillion that creates a 4 – 5 year inflation cycle, and then the big D depression. He’s nailed almost of his calls, some a bit early, but missed the 30% stock rise since early 2013. Risk vs reward I surmise. He sees the last 15 years in stocks as the ending phase of an 80+ year super-cycle. I can see how the nominal chart looked like a triple-top in 2013, and how we’re actually right about there now on inflation adjusted charts. Should be interesting. Keep up the good work. Enjoy!
    http://seekingalpha.com/user/8405611/comments

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    Interesting, JF, thanks — and yes, this guy does seem to be saying exactly what I’ve been saying. He and I have been soulmates without even knowing it.

    When I started writing about the threat of deflation in Barron’s and the San Francisco Examiner 20 years ago I had the subject all to myself. Even now, I’m not sure it is the consensus view. It is certainly the view of the Fed, even if the lying, cynical charlatans pretended all along that inflation was a concern. RA