Why Gold Exploration Stocks Are Primed to Explode

[Mining stocks got you down? Do you shake your fist at the sky whenever a $100 rally in gold causes nary a ripple in exploration shares?  If so, get ready for a major mood change, because precious-metal stocks that have languished for years are about to blast off. That’s the prediction of our savvy friend Chuck Cohen, a NYC-based financial consultant who specializes in mining issues.  He spells out the reasons for his strong optimism belowRA]

I am as frustrated as the rest of the gold true believers, because so many of us have focused on the smaller exploration shares. In fact, I guess by now that many of you have either pared down your holdings or even completely jettisoned these “losers.” I see several reasons or theories why they have behaved so poorly since 2005 in spite of gold’s spectacular rise. And because I believe in studying technicals visually, I am posting four charts from ancient history to help you get a longer-term perspective. I hope this proves both instructive and encouraging to you, because it has been very exasperating and even discouraging to many of us.

Theory number one: The stocks will never move because the gold cycle is almost cooked. At least, that is what so many quotable market experts have postulated.. Never mind that they have never put one penny in this sector — these gold mavens are as certain now as they were when gold was selling for $250. Instead, be safe, and buy bonds for that 3% certainty. I totally dismiss this theory, since there has probably never been a market that has been up 11 straight years and not had some kind of speculative climax.

‘Too Speculative!’

Theory number two:  Junior mining shares will stay basically at these levels, as they are inherently speculative. These stocks will need the public to come in heavily, and they simply will never will do this. I refer back to point one for my response.

And now for theory number three — the real reason why the miners have remained comatose:  They haven’t lifted off yet simply because they are not at that point in their price cycle. Remember, the stock market topped out in 1966 at nearly 1000 and couldn’t get through it until August 1982; then it never looked back. Who could have dreamed that at Dow 776, the venerable average would multiply almost 15 times within 18 years?

I believe that is exactly what we are seeing, at last, in the larger miners: a massive breakout. On Monday, we had new highs in Newmont, Royal Gold and Randgold, with Goldcorp and Barrick trading close to their all-time highs. This is quality leadership, led by the largest mining companies and being fueled by the largest investors. Soon this move will spill over to the smaller miners, as the larger miners begin to buy cheap ounces by taking over the next tier of miners. Look for takeover mania to hit the group.

But more significantly is that when you look at a cycle like this, you must refer back to the last parabolic cycle — i.e., the stock market of the late 1980s and 1990s. Although the initial leadership came from the Dow stocks, which could be viewed as equivalent to today’s Gold Bugs Index (HUI) shares, when the Nasdaq finally sprang to life in the mid-1990s, its component stocks flew, driven by fund managers and a public certain the tech bubble would never burst and that retirement at 30 was totally doable. Remember that?

Frantic Search for Ounces

I expect to see the same shift in the gold mining shares, and probably very soon. The game, as the bull market in gold explodes into its accelerated parabolic pattern, will gravitate towards the smaller shares as the problem changes from obliviousness toward these companies to a frantic search for whoever has got the ounces. We are entering into an historic period of physical shortage of gold and silver, not just because of the total debasement of currencies but because of the crooked shenanigans that have gone on for more than a decade. There has been an immense amount of physical gold that has been sold but which does not exist. Imagine you have a company such as Mauodure, which might have 10 million ounces with a current market cap of under $250 million. But 10 million ounces at $2,500 gold comes out to $25 billion of gold, or one hundred times the current price.

Of course, this isn’t what it is worth, but it does provide an idea what is coming. In a world of paper-currency pollution, the miners will be virtual mints. The trick is to recognize this, pick out the best plays, and then be patient. The first shift of wealth has been taking place in the world, from the decline of the Western nations to the East. A second one is on upon the immediate horizon — the transfer of wealth, from those who under the onerous burden of debt attached to assets to those who are unencumbered by debt and who had the foresight and patience to hold onto gold and silver.

Expect a Mania

History has revealed that a generational bull market such as what we saw from 1982 until 2000 does end not with a whimper and a lack of public interest. It will end in the greatest mania ever seen. As an aside, the terrible performance of the speculative shares is perhaps the single most important technical indication that we are still very early in this phase. A skyrocketing gold price is not a healthy sign, since gold is a financial barometer, just as a high reading on a thermometer alerts us that something is wrong with our body. But that is for another day, and you will have to get out your bibles.

The point to notice is that the Nasdaq lagged the Dow until 1995 and then took off as the public finally realized that it was safe to buy stocks and chase the parabolic curve until the painful conclusion.

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  • FranSix November 14, 2011, 4:38 pm

    One thing speculators in the junior mining shares might like to look at is comparing the price trend since Dec. 2008 with the price trend in TLT.

    Rumour had it that hedge funds were long gold and short the miners, but I would say they were probably selling the miners and parrying the rising price trend in TLT.

  • chris t. November 10, 2011, 8:28 pm

    Chuck,

    “The trick is to recognize this, pick out the best plays, and then be patient.”

    Your article does the first part, the last is one’s own self discipline. Though by far more of aminority that sometimes assumed have already recognized this.

    Your sentence, buried in the mix, is the key one of your piece, and needs to be restated as follows:

    “The trick is to pick out the best plays”.

    For many of the above mentioned minority that did already realize your points, there was no conversion of that to buying action, because of the real trick involved. the picking.

    That’s the hard part, how to do?
    That’s why buying physical is the only other alternative.

    Would that there were a true way to buy HUI, a private synthetic is to difficult.

  • mava November 10, 2011, 5:57 pm

    gary,
    Yes, most people had not realized yet that dollar will end. It is too hard. They will, one day, too late.

    Speaking of bar-rick,
    I’ve heard a rumor that bar-rick is simply a front for a three letter agency. Just a rumor.

    Richard,
    Yes, yes, of course. What you say does make sense to me. They will attempt to transfer dividends if they can. This is what I call thinking inside the system. Do you see how you make assumptions that someone, somewhere will help you, or will even listen to your assurances hat you are in fact an owner.

    But, who is going to need your ownership, if the FED takes over the mines? Recall, that these are all National Security Interest. When “the people” are not able to buy anything from abroad, because no one wants paper, the people will need the gold. You think they are going to just watch you making billions? Because you “own” it, fair and square?

    Robert, the people who are going to judge you are the same communists who occupy wall street today. Today they want “better jobs” and “persons first”. We’ve been told not to make judgment. Wrong. Making immediate judgment is essential survival skill. The demands of OWS shows you immediately that these are pure animals without any human characteristics. Just you wait till they become majority and watch the blood flow. They are saying all the same things they were saying in Campuchea, Russia, China, Mongolia, Cuba, etc.

    And they will become majority, not by their own virtue of course. The system failure, ongoing already, will intensify and leave them in it’s wake. They are already around us, but they stil have jobs and own homes. They did not earn any of this, the system made it possible. So, their ownership is not an indication of any humanity. Therefore, when the feeding bowl will no longer be provided by the system, they will become majority and they will kill anyone to get what they want.

    Who is going to transfer the ownership for you to another exchange, against the wishes of a world bully with an arsenal of nuclear weapons? What does “the ownership certificate” even means when the mine had been taken over by a government or a crowd? Ownership of what?

    You won’t be able to deliver what you claim you own.
    And whoever is able to take what you sell, take by force, will not need your certificate.

    Imagine tomorrow, the mine is declares National Interest until further notice. Now, where do you transfer the stock records, who is going to trade them in expectation of what? Have you seen the people trading any stock of Kremlin? Or White House? even as lowly and remote as Alaska? No. Because the government wanted to steal those things and it did.

    Look around the countries that have gold mines. Do they look like countries that would keep the holy private property institution through thick and thin? What was their history record of respect to private property?

    These things, Robert, are profitable and tradeable, but not for you or me. You and I can not take profit against the will of the hungry crowd, and we can not trade something we can not guarantee to be delivered. If you were a general in US Army, then yes, by all means. Because when system starts to fail, you will have your own army, that operates on your own orders, and kills whoever you don’t like, not just whoever Obama doesn’t like. This means someone like that will have his stock certificates either exchanged, or transferred, or (and most usually) he will be given a notice before an irreparable event happens. Because if not, then he will physically occupy and keep that mine.

    You and I will not be able to resist even a local policeman, so there is absolutely no need to watch out for our rights, and no one will. We do not represent any danger in and of ourselves. All we would need is to be told that our ownership status is frozen until future notice, and we will take that and shove it, and walk away to hung ourselves in the shed. This is why that is exactly the amount of rights that we would get.

    Or, may-be I just don’t get it. Only future will show.

    • Robert November 10, 2011, 7:03 pm

      Mava-

      Again, you are extrapolating that what MIGHT happen is what is GOING to happen, and I agree with you that human history teaches us that given an array of plausible scenarios, humanity will invariably embark down the path that creates the most pain, the most chaos, and the least benefit almost every single time.

      Alarmism is irrational.

      “Look around the countries that have gold mines. Do they look like countries that would keep the holy private property institution through thick and thin? What was their history record of respect to private property?”

      – This is an interesting question. There are only 3 areas of “Private Property” left on Earth:

      1) The Vatican
      2) The District of Columbia
      3) The square mile City of London.

      The people are waking up to this fact. The Brits are (finally) starting to ask questions about the existence of a tax-free sovereign that operates independently as a corporation within the confines of London. Why is so much wealth amassed here? Why do traders who work for the guilds earn tax free capital gains?

      The families that have isolated themselves as the only private property barons left on Earth are soon going to have to make the choice whether to yield to the growing tide of anti-corporatism, or whether to instigate WWIII as a distraction.

      Just something is inevitable does not mean it’s imminent, and you also have to keep a clear head to the fact that degrees of innevitability changes with each passing day.

      Regarding the OWS crowd- sure they are Socialist, and sure they are unethical, and sure they support thievery by justifying it as the will of the majority.

      Does that mean they are going to come after me personally? Maybe, but I will point out one very important factor: Most of these “this time it’s different”, new age progressive economics, everyone play nice in the community sandbox types are also vehemently anti-gun.

      So, what effectiveness is a crowd of intellectual vacuum tubes really going to have on someone who understands his personal individual rights?

      Sure, they can nationalize the mines and steal my shares- so what? in such a scenario the purchaing power of physical metal would be adequate that I would care not one iota that people were stealing my stock portfolio, and when the day came that they decided to pull an FDR and come for physical metal, I’d make sure I had enough sitting in a safe deposit box that they could take it and move on to the next cow in the milk line…

      The only day I truly fear is the day they trespass upon my personal space and try to take from me what I am not willing to give them, because that to me is a “who lives and who dies” scenario.

      I’m not a violent person. I firmly and truly believe that peaceful, fair and just commercial co-existence is the only rational future for our species, but if you invade my home, or my personal space buffer and try to take from me by force what I am not willing to give you, then you better be adequately prepared to make me dead before I have my weapon drawn, because a man of unwavering morality always knows when his only available right is to look another person squarely in the eye, and then shoot them in the forehead.

    • mava November 10, 2011, 10:09 pm

      Robert,

      If I am wrong estimating how this will end, and the system does not collapse, then all my barking here goes out of the window. I totally agree.

      The question is to me, am I wrong, am I too alarmist? I don’t think so, but no one had nominated me to be right. I could be way off.

      But, if there is no collapse, then gold stocks are sure thing. I would definitely load up on them if I wasn’t this much alarmed.

      This is what looks like the difference between our points of views. You think we are gonna muddle through, I think we are going to see the collapse.

      Always a pleasure to discuss things with you.

  • Cam Fitzgerald November 10, 2011, 5:13 pm

    You may be right Gary. It is looking likely that we will get a real crisis before Europe “gets it” and brings out the big guns to resolve their issues through the auspices of the ECB.

    There is no liquidity crisis more severe than one that is actually a discussion about solvency itself. They (Europeans) are broke now and sinking deeper daily as the austerity drug and rising rates drain any chance of future growth.

    Monetization is really the final option but it is one we can look forward to as that outcome will result in a major bull for equities. Europe may be hoping that the Fed will carry the day with QEIII offering an American led subsidy of lifestyles over there while allowing the Euro-Zone to shirk reality and get by for a little while longer on somebody else’s coin.

    I won’t bet on that outcome though.

    Best plan is to get positioned now for what happens next. Euro debts will be monetized or the union will fail. Since failure is not an option and every member has now stated unequivocally their intention to make the EZ and the Euro work, we know that serious inflation is coming in the months ahead.

    It will be most welcome when it arrives. And it will be big.

  • gary leibowitz November 10, 2011, 3:54 pm

    Why does Gold sell off every time the equties market takes a hit? Is it the weak hands selling? Finally, what will happen if the dollar stays up relative to most other currencies while a world deflationary cycle hits hard?

    I believe it is all about liquidity. Most big players have a small percentage in Gold. If their other investments tank they will most likely sell their Gold position. You would have to conclude that the world financial system will come to a halt in order for Gold to rise to the levels most expect.

    I must admit I have been very wrong for the past 5 years. I never expected Gold to attain the heights it has. I also never thought the stock market will hold up so well, for so long.

    This is the season for Gold to break-out. I suspect we might finally see just how high it can go. December will be interesting for both stocks and Gold. Historically they both rise. I still think equities will tank before the end of this month, but have a relatively nice rally after, for all of December. The relationship between Gold and Equities will be tested soon, IMHO.

  • Rockhound November 10, 2011, 4:22 am

    I work at a junior mining company and many of your comments are fair. It is a long shot game but Barrick was once a junior miner. The difficulty is weeding through the many junior mining companies and finding the ones that have a better than average chance of becoming the next big thing. I have seen many of Chuck’s touts and spoken to him on the phone. He is very thorough and detailed when looking at companies. There are great junior companies in the market but you have to search high and low. Some of the things I look for are:
    1. They are well funded and do not need to go to the market all the time.
    2. They have some form of revenue.
    3. Management that is experienced with good access to the majors in the gold industry.
    4. They have a good pipeline of quality properties so that if one property does not turn out they are still in business.
    There are many other things to look into but that is why a professional like Mr. Cohen or other good analyst can help to weed through the many companies to give you a starting place.

  • Mercury November 9, 2011, 11:53 pm

    Ya sound a little angry Cam. What gives?

    • Cam Fitzgerald November 10, 2011, 8:08 am

      It is only my sense of humor. You have no idea really. I just laugh and laugh.

    • Steve November 10, 2011, 8:06 pm

      Actually, Mercury I think you have it. Where does that laugh reflex come from?

  • Dave November 9, 2011, 11:34 pm

    Exploration companies will only rise in the final stage and as a bubble. Exploration mining companies are the dotbombs of the mining industry.

    A Barrick is like an Intel, but a ABC Gold ExploreCo is a pets.com.

    ABC Gold ExploreCo has no earnings. It has no revenue. It may be searching for a way to bring a product the world wants to market, but it may not be economic, just like how pets.com tried to sell pet supplies (a multi billion dollar market) but could not find an economic way to do it. Just like a dotbomb the success is based on a business plan (or dream being executed). Eye balls were supposedly going to turn into sales and drill hole intercepts are supposedly going to turn into ounces. 1/1000 exploreco’s advance past the exploration stage (dont worry the property will come back next cycle) and 1/1000 dotbombs made money.

    It is foolish to consider them any different than the dotbombs.

    PS Make sure you have Cam Fitzgerald come back and write an article at the end of December when the DJIA rallies from the 10,200 low it makes all the way up to 11,300 and he can claim he was right in the huge rally.

    My grandfather told me to never trust a man with a womans name, Cameron is a womans name.

    • Cam Fitzgerald November 10, 2011, 8:06 am

      You are making me laugh Dave! Best one all night. Shows your age too. Learn your history. Moving on though, I might just come back. It will be with the article on Gold that Rick will never print in a hundred years……..so you will just have to imagine what I really have to say.

      But I swear, I mean absolutely every word of it (whatever it is). That girlish enough for you tough guy?

    • Steve November 10, 2011, 8:15 pm

      Let’s all ask Rick to let Cam publish his unedited gold piece.

      Rick please let Cam publish, vote 1, how about this Friday so that it will run longer.

  • mava November 9, 2011, 10:32 pm

    Robert,

    I thought that I just clarify that it is not that all paper will go down that I believe, but that the government in its last effort to survive will take all the assets that are worth something. So that, in turn, will make your paper assets (those that represent real wealth), useless to you.

    Also, I did not say there will be no gold stock bubble. I said I think that the reason that it isn’t here yet, could be that many actually share my opinion, and therefore staying away from gold stocks. They may not have the same fears as I do, and then there will be the bubble in gold stock.

    My main point was (I find it hard to deliver to Americans), that if bubble does happen, then you won’t be able to take real profits from the game, exactly until there is no more point in doing so. How else can I say it? I don’t view the system as permanent, since I have seen the system collapsing around me before (not born here). But, it could be, that if I did not, I too would have a hard time understanding this. You believe in the system, and you think within, like you say “thinking inside the box”. I believe there will be no system (not this one), so I make my estimates from outside of the system which I view as “dead man walking”, on assumption that the only wealth that I could physically defend can actually remain mine.

    • Robert November 10, 2011, 12:52 am

      Mava-

      I think the one point you are (possibly) overlooking is that shares of stock are not subject to monetary denomination. They are a form of currency in their own right.

      In my entire portfolio, I only own shares in about 3 US companies- the rest are shares in non-US companies. Now, many of those shares were still purchased on US exchanges; but even if the exchanges I used to make the purchase would fail, my stock ownership in the company does not go away. I would simply have the ownership data transferred to another exchange that the company was listed on should I decide to sell and the US exchange (or the US dollar) no longer existed.

      The US “system” can die, but realization of that fact does not guarantee that equity in solid, productive companies must go to zero- it merely means that there is a possibility that I may not be able to sell the shares for the same national currency that I used to purchase them… but hey, anyone who is not prepared for that possibility shouldn’t be buying company stock to begin with.

      Removing liquidity from a system does not destroy the value of economic activity.

      I’m not saying I want it, but if the dollar collapses, then Gold will not drop in price in dollar terms, and miners will not stop mining the stuff… But they would have to get creative about how to issue dividends to US based shareholders under such a scenario.

    • Steve November 10, 2011, 8:00 pm

      Robert, what does one have if one does not hold the stock certificate in hand? The assumption that one has money because it is in the bank is as false as believing one has stocks when the share is held by a broker. The money belongs to the bank in bailment depositum precarium, under private contract to ‘bail’. Fancy words that mean that the only thing one has at the bank is a promise to return what the bank now owns and trades on each night after hours. The premis on ownership is based upon the presumption the bank/broker will not breach agreement to return the funds during business hours. So, I disagree with the premise that anyone will own anything once a broker, or bank fails. Upon failure of a bank there is another contract with the Fed for Insurance. The contract in depositum/bailment, or delivery of property to another (under agreement to return pursuant to contract) goes into breach and ends when the bank goes belly up. The Fed steps in on their insurance policy giving You a payout and the Fed assumes your contract with the failed bank. If a broker goes belly up, it is the same senario. Unless one holds the actual Certificate one only owns a promise to return, or provide. The Broker has his name on ‘your’ Stock Certificates, and holds the Certificates in his own name, not your name. Broker goes away, one has the right to sue, but; for what? Bank goes away and ya don’t get your 200k from FDIC, the suit files against the Fed, not the bank, because that is where the contract Stands.

  • Robert November 9, 2011, 8:39 pm

    1) Chuck is probably going to be proven right

    2) Mava’s post, and the others of the same theme, are too alarmist (in my opinion)

    Not all paper is not going to collapse- only the paper that is backed by nothing but financial promises is probable to collapse.

    Loans backed by paper collateral are certainly going where they belong (poof).

    Loans backed by legitimate real assets will always be considered as marketable debt.

    Gold is a financial asset- it is viable, liquid collateral, and there will ALWAYS (read: forever) be people who will agree to extend you credit if you have Gold to back the liability. I’ll say it again: ALWAYS.

    I’m not saying EVERYONE will be willing (as Cam demonstrates above), but there will always be a willing lender somewhere.

    The miners prices are depressed (in my opinion):

    1) Because very few 401k funds offer any form of Gold exposure
    2) Most people are waiting for the Gold price to collapse, so they have the shares shorted expecting to make an easy no-brainer profit.
    3) Low stock prices always scare people away- people only see the blue light flashing when they are in WalMart- they can never see it on WallStreet

    Look, the Gold price does not even have to keep moving up. at 1500 Gold, many of the miners shares are poised to generate record earnings for years to come, and earnings can only go one of 4 places:

    1) New investment and M&A
    2) Dividends
    3) Share buybacks
    4) Hookers, booze and blow for company Execs.

    Again, I’m with Chuck.

  • fallingman November 9, 2011, 6:55 pm

    I should keep my mouth shut, but I won’t.

    For god’s sake, it isn’t as if you take 100% of your port and put it into juniors. They’re incredibly risky, but when they pay off, they rain money on ya like a slot machine.

    So, what in the world is wrong with having a portion in selected juniors? Not 100% …not zero.

    Personally, I like to wait for the periodic beatdown to accumulate. Put in stink bids. Don’t buy too much when you’re aren’t getting screaming bargains. Buy a little and then buy more when they start giving them away. If the stocks go up, your pretty happy. If they go down, you’re happy. If they stay down, you don’t lose that much, BECAUSE THEY’RE PENNY STOCKS and you didn’t put up that much capital.

    Lastly, if you aren’t speculating with part of your money, you’re missing the point. When what they call money goes bad, fortunes are made in real money…and the stocks should do fine. I’m not ignoring Mava’s concerns, but it’s worth taking the risk.

    A couple thousand shares or a 30 cent stock’ll cost you 600 clownbucks for god’s sake and could easily return you 10 to 1 and maybe 100 1. For all the dogs I’ve owned that went to zero, I’ve had more than enough penny stocks that are now blue chips.

    It’s not black or white. Buy some when the time is right. It’s a decent time now….if you can handle paper losses. It may be a great time in just a bit.

    • Cam Fitzgerald November 10, 2011, 7:48 am

      Well said Fallingman. I can see you have been there, been back and got the hat to prove it too!

  • roger erickson November 9, 2011, 5:08 pm

    There’s total policy uncertainty associated with any analysis along these lines. Consider this:

    “they continue to peddle the myth that QE is about giving banks more money to lend”
    http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=16816

    The only reason currency markets are impaired is because of the rampant misunderstanding of current policy staff. That can change any second, in any direction. One would be well advised to be prudent & cautious, above all else.

  • Divergent Opinion November 9, 2011, 4:53 pm

    This is the same guy that was allowed here about 2 or 3 weeks ago, at nearly the top of the currently dying bear-rally, and screamed for a new bull market in equities.

    And now he is back again, touting the most dangerously volatile of stocks, the junior exploration sector–at a time in which gold has not even been able to yet take out it’s double top high of $1922, and silver is nowhere near its prior high of $49.

    I am starting to see this guy as a great contrary indicator, since he shows up to tout at technically high probability longterm tops–top for equities, and all commodities– including gold and silver.

    Apparently he believes strongly in world central banker capabilities, to keep rotationally pumping fiats constantly, thus succeeding to ever stay just ahead of the current massive world-debt tidal wave, that’s daily increasingly coming due, everywhere on the planet. An this is a debt tidal wave that cannot be stopped, nor ignored, because it swamps current existing worldfiats, by at least a ratio of 100-1.

    Therefore, I totally disagree with Chuck.

    I opine that all that is coming soon to the entire world is deflation and more shocking deflation, as big-banks and debtor-nations unavoidably collapse interconnectedly like dominoes, and investors and depositors are left holding the empty bag (as historically usual), after a massive credit-expansive multi-decade fiat-party has ended.

    So, I continue to believe that the only safe investment vehicle in today damocles-sword, stratospheric-debt environment, continues to be short-term t-bills, from the USA, Switzerland, Singapore, and the like—as trillions of dollars ever stuck (and growing) in USA t-bills for the last, entire 4 years (at zero interest) further attest—despite all the talking-head blah blah about some supposed hyper-inflation, a fairy-tale purposefully created by world central bankers, just to keep as many suckers as possible inside equities, gold and silver, and as long as possible—while those in the crony-know, cash out, and get out.

    I give a 90%+ probability to all I state above.

    However, all that said, I will add, and to at least give Chuck’s theory a 10% probability: IF (big IF) the DJI goes solidly over it’s prior 2011 high of 12,810, and gold does finally go over $2000, I will reassess the situation, and move up the chances of what Chuck is touting, up to 50%.

    So that seems easy enough, right? Gold over $2000, and DJI over 12,810. Should be slam dunk easy, right? I disagree. For I strongly opine ALL markets (except cash) will soon go bigtime down. Too many technicals and sentiment indicators, betting that way. Plus also, of course, There is all that towering world-debt, that just won’t go away, and is ever coming due, like an unavoidable plague, or blinding cloud of locusts, that you cannot escape.

    As of the current moment right now premarket open, spx futures are down about 30 points. And gold and silver have not yet followed, they are still stuck right now watching the spx action, gold at high $1700, and silver at mid $34. Yet I opine that gold will soon swandive, to pursue the spx down, probably starting this week, seeking a low $1500’s retest once again. And silver should drop like a rock with it also, to retest the $26 dollar area.

    So we’ll see what happens. Because as long as the low $1800’s resistance for gold holds, and $36 resistance for silver, I will stick to my opinion.

    (Btw, the multi-year chart Chuck provides above of the nasdaq, is a fantastic, 5-step ending wedge diagonal formation, which nearly always breaks straight down, watershed-like, and fast, from where it’s shown last shown on the chart. That nasdaq ending diagonal chart says: huge nasdaq drop, straight ahead.)

    • C.C. November 9, 2011, 8:17 pm

      Late 2008, much of 2009, summer of 2010 and running (deflationist) commentary since the summer of 2011.

      What do these periods of time have in common with your thesis here Divergent? That they’re almost identical in tone and verbiage to myriad commentaries from the prior time frames…? Am I thumbing my nose? Hardly. The risk is always and ever present.

      However, the biggest ‘contrarian’ $$$-making play these past 3+ years, has been – and continues to be, the polar Opposite of your prognostications, has it not?

      Keep your ‘safety’ – and good luck with it, friend. Life isn’t safe and those who cling to preconceived notions of ‘safety’ are in for the biggest and most disappointing surprise of all.

    • Divergent Opinion November 9, 2011, 8:59 pm

      C.C., no idea whom you are, or to whom you are referring to, in your “late 2008, much of 2009, summer of 2010” etc, commentary. It was not I.

      I only discovered and commented on this site 2 times prior, one was about 2 months ago, in which I nailed the steep drop to low $1500 gold support to the nose, only 1 day ahead before it happened, which even surprised me, in it’s suddenness. And if you do not believe me, just ask R.A., whom asked me after I did it (and all his pivots were taken out that day) to comment further, and join the site as a regular (I have no time for that). Other time I commented, was last Saturday, as I considered Cam F. utterly looney “stockmarket bullish” article, too hilariously pathetic, to pass up.

      Yet, like I wrote above, kid, if $2000 gold does get taken out, along with DJI 12, 810, I will re-evaluate entire market situation. However, I consider $2000 gold as likely, as snow in Key Largo.

      Still, I’ll give you a 10% chance, just to make you happy. But 90%+ still says you are wrong, bud.

      Yet Mr. Market will tell us soon, who is right or wrong. You’ll see.

      And life is not safe for anyone, and it’s only there I agree with you, and not even for the “elite-rich”. OWS will take of them, you’ll see. Hang ’em high.

    • A. Rand Fan November 9, 2011, 10:52 pm

      D.O.,
      I think you conveniently left out one factor for deflation not to playing out as you imagine, Politicians. They always follow the path of least resistance because they want to be reelected and thus will drive inflation until end the of fiat currency. $2,000 Gold by end of year or early next is IMHO, a 90% for sure.

    • Cam Fitzgerald November 10, 2011, 7:45 am

      “This is the same guy (Chuck) that was allowed here about 2 or 3 weeks ago, at nearly the top of the currently dying bear-rally, and screamed for a new bull market in equities”……Divergent Opinion
      ————————————————
      As usual, the popcorn crowd here takes an excellent and accurate forward looking estimate that arrived as friendly commentary and mulches it by using daily or weekly readings of market numbers.

      You guys never seem to see the big picture. All you gather is the little micro-aspect and you are stuck in the mud. So sorry. Chuck is a genius in my opinion. You will never get it though.

    • Steve November 10, 2011, 7:40 pm

      What is absolutely sure is that the majority will be absolutely wrong in the end. All of the talk about guns, gold, and paper is just so much cheap cheep talk. Have your guns boys. I must agree with Cam that value exists in a tight knit group on productive land. The key is productive land, and how one can keep it productive without chemicals to kill pests, and the need for fertilizer from natural gas, ‘urea’ or amonium nitrate in its poisonous gassy forms. No matter what is used to enrich the soil, it will never be as productive as it is today. When there is no irrigation because there is no power – less production. A wet, cold, dark year like we just had and no matter how good you are there would not have been enough grown. I also add that, I would put Moore trust in one marine with a battle pack, one rifle, one knife, and one sidearm who has been on the field, than thirty pretty boys with 10,000 rounds of ammo, and 40 guns each. Talk is cheap on a thread in a forum. Give me one Marine in battle gear with one 45, and one .223 cal. Give me one Marine sniper in battle gear with a .30 cal. Want it to be real interesting give me a 50 cal. team of 3. Your land is my land from a mile away. Your gold is my gold from a mile away. Your food is my food from a mile away. Your guns are my guns from a mile away. Cam was right about land to farm and people, but; that is not enough. Yet it was Cam who was crying about eating stale popcorn not long ago, and who is just nasty. I am always amazed by the personalities who must elevate themselves through being just nasty. I’m sorry if my words ‘commie tripe’ about the Canada social means written by you Cam offended. It was not a personal attack. The word ‘commie tripe’ was because of the words presented that were “everyone work according to their ability, everyone taken care of according to their needs”. A question or two for you Cam. Are your buds Marine Snipers? Have you been on the field? I’m asking the questions because all of the Men I know who have been on the field don’t act by jabbing with a sharp stick not expecting to get hit. Battle Field friends joke around. Strangers, no joking with strangers. Do you want to keep this personal thing going Cam? It seems that you want to use personal insults against everyone instead of factual communication in a discussion. To help, let us define the pop-corn crowd. The words appeared meaning that Robert expected the personal insult to be answered by me, and responded to by Cam. Robert knew I was not likely to stop until Rick stopped me. Last time a nasty appeared on the forum I emailed Rick and asked him if I could answer on forum because this forum should be about facts. I didn’t bother to ask Rick for permission with Cam. The former crybaby even changed his account names. If you want to continue this Cam I’ll define the word crybaby and refer to the crybaby crowd under a lengthy definition. I’m going to restate. The statement about friends and land is a good one Cam – you are “Right”. Choose friends and land carefully because those alone are not enough.

      Popcorn crowd is defined to mean Men like Robert and others on this forum who have the tenacity to make a Stand for what is good, right, and moral without necessity of personal abuses.

  • richard j November 9, 2011, 4:45 pm

    The average or better than average investor is better off in physical with a predictable return. When returns average 17% over 10 years, you really need to do 50% better than that to justify the risk, aggravation and work or investing in the paper gold miners.
    The junior miners are typically one mine wonders, only one cave in or problem away from disaster and the best of the explorers (take a look at Rubicon chart RBY) are subject to patient manipulation and accumulation. Senior miners are more patient now that they have 20 years worth of reserves/resources and are valued at what they earn as opposed to ounces in the ground. (expect this to change for the better shortly) Accordingly, exploreco’s are required to take their projects to permitting status, sometimes even production before they are taken over, making for a very long process.
    You are likely better off with following Rick A on something like Silver Wheaton if you want a stock play.

  • jeff kahn November 9, 2011, 4:16 pm

    There some bizarre idea even on this board that physical gold buyers are “Doomers” – cranks hiding in their basement with guns and tinned food. But if you open your eyes, you’d see that over the last 10 years physical gold has been by far the best investment. And it will do even better without a Doomsday scenario over the next 10 years. It’s fine for Doomsday, if it ever occurs, but it will be far better in the Print-your-way-to-prosperity world where we all live. And far better than all forms of paper. Including paper gold.

    • Cam Fitzgerald November 9, 2011, 7:46 pm

      Did I mention yet you are better off with farm land and a whole lot of good friends if the worst were ever to happen? Maybe you have not been reading this site for long Jeff, but the Gold-Huggers here have also expressed a coincident penchant for a “new society”, anarchy without government, a gold standard and freedom from man made law. They firmly believe the dollar is burnt toast, that society will break down one day. They think they are immunized with metals.

      They are the worst of fools.

    • Robert November 9, 2011, 8:58 pm

      I can’t let this one pass (assumably being one of Cam’s “worst of fools”)…

      Jeff Kahn declares a basic truth: Gold has been a better investment (and trade) than anything else for nearly a decade.

      Cam declares that continuing (or projecting) Jeff’s line of reasoning furter into the unseen future makes you a fool…

      Well Cam- I may be a fool, but I’m a wealthy fool, and a wealthy fool still enjoys a more pleasurable life than a wizened pauper whose only asset is his own righteousness… 🙂

  • Benjamin November 9, 2011, 12:03 pm

    Nice article, Mr. Cohen. I don’t know if that is just around the corner or not (you’re the expert), but I can imagine your third theory being how it could play out. None the less, I’ll say something that sounds a bit disrespectful (but isn’t). Wake me when gold and silver are in such high demand that the stores won’t sell for anything less, nor workers work for anything else than gold/silver coin or something equivalently denominated in them. Things ought to be _real_ interesting, then!

    @Cameron F: “You might just get through to the doomers here … As long as you keep invoking the word “Gold” though you might turn some of them around before it is too late and they put all their hard earned money into canned tuna packed in oil.”

    You know, Cam, I seem to recall a contributor writing a commentary a few months back about peak honey bees, and the importance of making an effort in keeping them. Because if people didn’t, there would be doom and gloom in food availability, world-wide, and there would be nothing that could be done for it past your… uh, the authors… projected point of no return.

    I’m not saying that that was your article. It clearly wasn’t, since you’ve been so focused on this parabolic bull in gold, and not other things, like concerns over supplies of food, water, fuel, etc. As for the rest of us, well, shucks… First we were stacking tinfoil hats atop our bone-headed brains as we blindly chased a dead, golden bull. Now we’re all locked up in oily cans of tuna…

    Gosh, I wonder what we’ll be doing next week!

    • Cam Fitzgerald November 9, 2011, 7:35 pm

      Hopefully we will be getting back to reality and using our heads and God given talents again Benjamin. Some will embark on enterprises to help rebuild the country and a few will really prosper. I do not respect the lunatics in the Gold camp nor those who pray for an end to the dollar. So much rubbish. I suggest those fools take a hard look at their sad little philosophy and pray the worst never actually happens.

  • SD1 November 9, 2011, 8:39 am

    I hate to break the news to you Mava …. paper is only slightly less useless than gold.

    • Cam Fitzgerald November 9, 2011, 7:27 pm

      Paper is worthless? It still works fine when you fill your gas tank and buy groceries though. Funny how paper money is still accepted by banks, your mortgage company, the utility, the car parts store and pretty much everyone else you know.

      Let us all hope the system keeps working that way too. Pray for it friends because you will not like the world where fiat is actually extinct.

      We may indeed be seeing a devaluation and loss of buying power. Big tears, cry me a big river. That has been a process that has been intact since the dollar was introduced. What else is new? We all still depend on it every single day though, do we not? Bitching aside, what would you rather have as currency besides paper or gold?

      Conch shells? Food maybe….

      When I hear people say the dollar is dead I often wonder what is in their wallets. If the currency actually fails completely it is far more likely that another will take its place than that gold will supplant it anyway. Be happy for that.

      Barter would become the short term intermediary but the carnage that ensued while the transition was taking place in a modern, technology-dependent society would be beyond epic. Social collapse is a legitimate concern in that scenario as supply chains broke down on every front and those who could not access and source their critical needs locally would be at most risk.

      Urban populations would crash amidst chaos.

      I am talking food of course. Water delivery, power and gas to heat homes and security services also come to mind. While I doubt we will see such a failure in our currency in our lifetimes, I am quite sure that the day it does happen that gold will be as worthless as decades old electronics from Radio Shack.

      Only food, fuel and weapons will carry the day then. How much do you need a Commodore 64 or even a smart phone when you have an empty stomach and are freezing in the dark anyway? How much propane and food do you think you will buy when suddenly nobody you know has enough resources themselves and all faith in money is lost? Very, very few are truly prepared.

      That is Armageddon. At least the first glimpse of it.

      It is the day governments cannot paper over the problems anymore, the day the system fails and all that is left is the slim hopes of the folks who actually have the know-how to survive and have taken the time to build an inventory of supplies that are sufficient to carry them across the Rubicon.

      Who that you know is ready? Very few. As we are learning, almost nobody farms anymore and even those who do are utterly dependent on a system that supplies machines, diesel, pesticides, fertilizer, storage and shipping facilities.

      Do you even know a single reliable person under Thirty who has the knowledge to properly can fruits and vegetables and meats, has the supplies and materials on hand to actually carry out the task in an emergency (one failed season, you starve) and is in a position to store the production, protect the supply and also teach others the rudiments?

      Even if you did know that person, would they be inclined to help YOU? Not likely. Of the best farmers I know, but a handful would not starve themselves if they actually had to plant corn or wheat by hand. Yes, they would literally starve because those fools have no idea what labour it really takes to produce even a single bushel of crop without machinery.

      I hate to say this but most of you are screwed if the fiat system really goes down. In other words, the folks who keep yapping about Gold, the end of our currency and even a (so-called) golden age of new government, are in for a great big fat surprise.

      It is called starvation.

      It is about the failure of the system at every conceivable level from the farm to your plate and all the bits of stuff in between that actually matter. Like energy and transportation. Like a functioning system of money. Like a world where talk does not matter anymore and only action counts.

      See, it really is all about food.

      And that is why Gold-huggers and Dollar-doomers are idiots. They invest more time and effort in buying and blithering about metals on-line than they do in learning real practical skills and building knowledge for that (theoretical) ugly day that they say is coming.

      So when the BS stops and the counting starts; when all you blithering fools fall off the edge, don’t come see me in the country for comfort or a hot meal. I am prepared for that too. Thankfully, most of you won’t have enough fuel to even leave town.

      Those of you who do will not be welcome once you arrive.

    • Robert November 9, 2011, 9:14 pm

      “paper is only slightly less useless than gold”

      Paper actually is more useful that Gold when one key consideration is taken (the Charmin factor).

      However- Gold does one thing paper does not- It adorns the wealthy during periods when other forms of wealth drift into obscurity.

      When nobody owns anything of value, the guy who dares to walk the street with his woman wearing a 3 ounce pendant around her neck will be the guy that everyone else wants to be like…

      History never has (and never will) re-define human nature.

      The past 15 years have been an abstraction (funny how Gold fell out of public favor and away from fashion sense in the mid-late 90’s, just as the price was beginning its ramp up).

      History will reassert itself, and the fashion trend will too.

      Name me ONE woman anywhere who enjoys wearing gaudy jewelry today (Liberace style) … Can’t do it, can you?

      The ultimate contrarian indicator.

      Some of you boomers go back and look at pics from the mid 70’s and pay attention to what you were wearing. Fashion sense is cyclical, and ranges from the sublime to the absurd.

      Today it’s all about body piercings and tattos. Tomorrow it will be fancy jewelry.

    • Cam Fitzgerald November 10, 2011, 7:27 am

      Oops, sorry SD. Your comment triggered my thinking but I forgot to say that was a great comment you made. Hopefully this belated apology will be accepted.

    • rmsimc November 11, 2011, 5:10 pm

      Cam,

      You are as right as rain. I’m as troubled as the next person having the understanding of the true nature of our system. But, if this is truly “game-over-man!” then its about survivalism, anarchy, roving mobs, etc. Maybe one-of-a-thousand reading this board would be evently remotely prepared… Certainly not a world I would want to experiece, for sure.

      So, I share your desire for this mess to (can I be so bold and say) self-correct over time… Pendulums always swing too far but they always reverse. Its physical nature…its reversion to the mean.

  • mava November 9, 2011, 6:55 am

    There is definitely going to be a bubble in gold. Consecutively, there’s supposed to be a bubble in gold stocks, and here is why: as the costs of gold mining for a given project remain relatively fixed, the profits shot up, because the sell price of gold they mine takes to the skies.

    This is the theory of gold stock profits. Say a cost to mine an ounce is $600, and the price of gold is $600 an ounce, – there can be no profit. At $650 gold price, the profits are razor thin, roughly 8 percent, and the stock is cheap. But, say the price of gold (POG) shots up to $1300. At that POG, the cost of mining that same ounce will likely remain the same as before, at least for our example here. So, then the profit is 116 percent. This means that while POG had barely doubled up, the gold miners profit went from 8% to 116%, or 14 folds.

    You can imagine what that does to the stock. You have seen tech bubble, but it didn’t have profit multipliers of gold stock bubble. So this is why all the expectations.

    Now, here is a little bit of reality. This is what I have concluded years back when I was considering gold stocks.

    Gold stocks flare up only when gold flares up, this is explained above. Gold flares up when the government had stolen a significant portion of people’s wealth and this had become apparent to the people. Normally, trough the life of any wealth stealing gang (the government), there are several times when such realizations happen. Pay attention here. Only the last time, so much wealth had been stolen, that there is no capital to continue production, and the gang kills the economy and dies. The last time in a gang lifecycle is always different from all the previous times. Why?

    Because, while during the previous times the gang could slightly release its grip on the victim and allow the victim to grasp some air to continue, the last time the grip is too tight and the victim (economy, people) dies.
    The gang then switches into survival mode, breaking all the laws it had itself established. (the rules are only there to keep the small time criminals from becoming the big time ones). The gang takes everything it can, since it figures that it is better to take all and be overthrown, than to play nice and still be overthrown.

    Today, we are living through not just a regular flare up, but the final flare up. This makes all the difference. You can have all the gold stock you want, but you won’t have any enormous profits. If the stocks show small gain, – you win. If they show the huge, enormous gain, then all you going to have is paper stock certificates. The gang will either call your game a “windfall”, or “unfair profiteering” or “speculation”, or freeze your stock, or declare mine production national security interest, or nationalize mines, or any of 100 000 other things it can do.

    Your main weakness as a gold stock holder is that you have only a paper right to some gold in the ground. Its location is known. So, what you have then is exactly what you can battle for. And as you can’t battle with the gang at all, then nothing at all is what you actually have.

    I believe that others too, have come to the same conclusion and this is why gold stocks are not going to be much use this time.

    I think gold stocks very possibly may flare up, but my point remains, that even if they do flare up due to many unsophisticated investors piling on, they are not going to be able to enjoy the profits they are after.

    During the collapse, unlike the panic, you don’t go in any papers that you can not physically enforce. You only buy what you can realistically keep, against the will of any gang. Look up recent gold mine nationalizations, and see if I am right.

    During the collapse, unlike the panic, the gang will offer you to “get in”, because again, in all the offered options you will only have the paper, the gang will stock up on your valuables. During 1933 panic, the FDR removed the right of Americans to possess gold. You were literally shown your shackles. Today, during the collapse, you are offered gold 401K. Don’t be a fool and believe this. Gang never offers you the winning card. Just the opposite. So, do exactly the opposite of what you are offered.

    During 1933, you should have bought gold, not surrendered it. During Nixon panic, you should have stocked up on gold stock. And today, you should stay absolutely clear from any kind of paper, and keep your physical.

    Offer this to others. Let the others buy gold from you, but only on paper. When the crash comes, there will be no system for them to use to sue your ass. Sell them any kind of paper you can think of, “gold you can fold”, “options”, stocks, gold 401k, insurance, whatever, just not physical. They will all lose.

    Chuck is right that there is much more gold sold than there is physically. The gang participates in this game very very actively. When the music stops, only the one having actual, physical and able to control (read: hide) it, will count. Everything else will just recede like a boiled foam.

    • richard j November 9, 2011, 4:34 pm

      Mava, this is a perfect reflection of my worst fears for the gold market. I sometimes think I am trying to market time this process, which will end badly in the rigged game you portray, most of the elements of which, are already there.
      FOA or FOFOA (Friend of Another) predicted that ALL paper would burn, including gold stocks, as the paperhangars inflate to infinity.
      Sue Wall Street? Can you do that now in NY? Why no perp walks?
      I have been extracting $ from paper gold stocks/funds for some time and intend to withdraw more over the next 6 weeks, which is the cyclical time to do it on a yearly basis. Still, like a moth to the flame, I am there. Mostly for the annual 25% return. Difficult to do this year, we do not win every year and end game year will be the big surprise with an unhappy ending.

    • Radek November 9, 2011, 8:43 pm

      Mava,

      You bring up some good points about holding the physical vs. paper. I agree with what you said from a theoretical perspective. But you wrote this well-thought out retort with at least one critically incorrect assumption: that people will continue to act civilized.

      If the paper-collapse happens to the degree that you mention, and only gold/silver remains – what exactly will you do with your physical gold? Will you stroll out of your house, walk down your street, and yell out “Will trade gold coins for food!”? How long do you think you will last before you get shot and your lifeless body is robbed of everything on it?

      Don’t you realize that at that point, supply chains will long have broken down and people in the cities will be going hungry and desperate to feed their children? There will be gunfights everywhere – cities, town, farms…. for food!
      (and also for clothing, gold, weapons, wood-burning stoves, propane tanks, water containers…you get the picture)

      Here’s my strategy for your “Paper Doomsday Scenario”: use the leverage from quality mid and junior mining stocks to capture as much paper as possible and convert it immediately into arable property at the peak of the bubble (yes, I’m a top-picking master! /sarcasm), some basic tools, weapons, energy-producing technology, and live a subsistence lifestyle and hope for the best. I will work with my neighbors to create a self-sustaining local community of reliance and support. If I get raided by some AK-47 wielding gang, then there will be a shootout, and someone will win. If I die, then I no longer have any worldly worries.

      If the gov’t enacts some variation of gold-stealing laws, then i’ll adjust my strategy then. You can be sure that the “gov’t gang” will go for your physical before they go for my paper, so it will be you that will be making deals in the dark alleys, risking your life for a loaf of bread. Grey-market gold exchanges will pop up, only to be raided regularly by the cops/military. I will be long gone by then.

      Civility in our society for the purposes of exchanging gold for food and other items will only work for a very short period of time as long as the food/items are in good supply. After that, your gold will have very little value.

      I can write so much more on this, but have to cap it here. I would love to discuss these end-game scenarios further, so i’d love to hear others’ perspectives on this. What’d I miss?

    • mava November 9, 2011, 10:20 pm

      richard j,

      I told FOFOA years ago, that euro will collapse. This goes against his interpretation of ANOTHER thoughts.
      I like reading ANOTHER, but I think FOFOA takes it way too far. He believes there is going to be freegold, I don’t. I believe that humans are not conscious enough to comprehend and to prevent another paper scheme. He thinks euro is going to survive because they reevaluate gold on their statements. I believe that is irrelevant and will not stop Euro politicians from doing what they all do, – steal by printing.

      Just thought I make it clear where I stand on FOFOA.

      Radeck,

      I do not make that assumption. I also do not plan on staying here and bugging out, – I plan on watching this on the news abroad.

      Therefore, I agree with your view. Except where I don’t think you will be able to realign your investments AFTER the gang goes for the assets that your certificates represent.

  • Cam Fitzgerald November 9, 2011, 6:41 am

    Shhhh. Quiet Chuck. You might just get through to the doomer’s here that a huge bull market in equities is about to coincide with a tremendous rise in gold shares. Juniors will be stellar. Too bad that most here think the market is about to fall off a cliff and take a face plant. Can’t get through to them though. Waste of time. As long as you keep invoking the word “Gold” though you might turn some of them around before it is too late and they put all their hard earned money into canned tuna packed in oil.

  • jeff kahn November 9, 2011, 3:20 am

    Gold stocks don’t move because they’re stocks not gold.

    • Richard November 10, 2011, 6:10 am

      According to that rationale no stocks in the world economic history should ever move up or down.

  • eep November 9, 2011, 2:56 am

    I admire your tenacity and conviction Chuck. But for the record , the guy that stuck his funds into bonds are looking far prettier. The other point that bothers me, exploration shares are still just paper , and not even good quality paper at that. Hope you turn out to be right.

    • kodiak November 9, 2011, 2:20 pm

      “Markets prove everyone right and everyone wrong in different windows of time.”

      Be careful with your BONDS.

      You are not going to like it when the 30 year is quoted at 5 yes FIVE!

    • richard j November 9, 2011, 4:21 pm

      Bonds? Gold the metal has averaged 17% a year over the last 10 years. So if you do not have the seemingly infinite patience required at times in gold stock investment, then stay with the physical.

  • SD1 November 9, 2011, 1:38 am

    You are a bull amongst bears, Chuck. Personally, I think you’ve got it right.