Greed, Stupidity and Hype Fuel New Dot-Com Boom

Groupon’s $700 million IPO last week proved that thieves and lunatics, working hand in hand and impelled by naked greed, remain a dominant force in today’s markets. With America rapidly on its way to becoming Nickel-and-Dime Nation, perhaps those who snapped up 35 million Groupon shares at huge premiums on opening day knew what they were doing? We were reminded of Groupon’s visceral appeal this morning when we opened a G-mail from them promising $5 off the next Groupon purchase.  Had we known this opportunity-of-a-lifetime would be sitting in our mailbox when we awoke, we would scarcely have slept the night before.  Imagine what the company would be worth if it can sell just one $10 Groupon to each and every Chinaman. If and when that happens, and assuming the Chinese don’t rip off the idea first, Groupon at $28 per share may turn out to have been a steal.

Or perhaps not. There is always the chance that Google will come along, even before the Chinese have stolen the idea, and do it better themselves. Google, as everyone knows, does whatever it is doing better than just about any other company. That is why Microsoft’s Bing! search engine isn’t even in the race, despite ginned-up statistics that would have us believe the product is quickly saturating its market.  In fact, Bing! has gotten as far as it has only with a huge, artificial boost from Microsoft’s weekly laxative of security patches, gratuitous updates and other bitware effluvia. Turns out that one of those updates stealthily inserted a Bing! search field into Firefox’s tool bar, and that it takes a registry hack to get rid of it. (Warning: Half-measures will only allow Bing! to return again and again and again, like the proverbial bad penny.) If you want to know how popular Bing! is among software cognoscenti, try Googling the phrase “Getting rid of Bing in Firefox.”  We’re not sure what Firefox had to gain by making Bing! as virulent as leprosy, but it seems obvious that Microsoft CEO Ballmer paid them a pretty penny for the piggyback ride.

A National Joke

All of which brings us to the elephant in the room, Facebook. Although it seems likely that the social  networking firm’s eventual IPO will put Google’s $1.7 billion fund-raiser in 2004 to shame, Google itself has the potential to turn Facebook into compost. One need only test-drive Google+ to understand why it threatens to subvert Facebook’s business model. Mainly, it eliminates the sleazy intrusions on one’s privacy that Facebook has always invited. In this regard, Facebook has become a national joke, despite endless revisions in the program that purport to give users more control over privacy. How’re they doing? This front-page headline from the current issue of The Onion says it all: “New Facebook Feature Allows User to Cancel Account.” That’s the ostensibly good news.  But the joke is on users, as the story concludes: “[Facebook] later confirmed that account closures would not stop [the company] from continuing to acquire, permanently store, and sell all of the information about every one of its current and former users until the day they die.”

Facebook faces the challenge of making actual profits without further compromising subscribers’ privacy. This is like trying to retool a car so that it flies. Google has the advantage of being able to build a social-networking application from the ground up, taking into account all of Facebook’s innumerable flaws. That fact will not necessarily inhibit the morons who paid $28 a share for Groupon from paying equally ridiculous prices for Facebook shares. However, it does imply that over the long haul, Facebook will be just another footnote in the sordid history of market manias.

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  • ter November 14, 2011, 2:31 am

    Divergent OPinion–very much appreciate your 5:09 post., an intelligent defense of your expectations. Thank you.

  • Armand Fischer November 13, 2011, 5:54 pm

    The closing range for the DJI in August, 1982 was
    777 to 901.

  • mava November 13, 2011, 5:23 am

    You must be reading my thoughts. I was just thinking of posting an explanation of why dollar is not, and can not be money, and I was going to use imaginary “unobtanium” to illustrate the concept of money.

  • Mercurious November 12, 2011, 11:16 pm

    First, I’ve obviously touched at least a few here with the Facebook tirade…that’s so encouraging to me [-) I literally CANNOT understand the desire to make it EASY for criminals to prey on you, and corporations and government to pry into your very life. For what? To develop a Farmville co-op? I think I’d rather blow my brains out first.

    Re the above posts on gold/silver in deflation: May I add my two Indian pennies? I have to agree with Mava, I think the misapprehension comes with somehow comparing the deflation we’ve known–aka The Great Depression–with today and saying if there are asset class write-offs, we’re in a similar situation. I would beg to differ.

    We’re in asset class sell-off, NOT general deflation. The idea that in a world of $5 silver–I backed up the truck at $4.85 a decade ago so I would still be up for the trade–the US dollar would have enhanced buying power verges on the hallucinatory. To reach that level of deflation WITHOUT market manipulation implies a doubling of real world unemployment, loss of even more industrial base and the further impoverishment of millions of Americans. Tax collections would be done in a bread truck in that scenario, with room for taco sales from a side window. Long, long before that happened, the feds would be printing money in a non-stop torrent.

    Asset class deflation is taking down the overabundant: residential and commercial real estate, over-hyped product lines and Western levels of compensation. What is obviously NOT happening is a wholesale collapse of pricing across the board. On the contrary, the critical core of modern life’s expenses–food, energy, medical care–are billowing upwards. For my money, you can add gold and silver to that. It is somewhat desired now, soon to be much more desirable, ultimately to be unobtainable to the average person but all the more wanted since those remaining with any liquidity will be buying with both hands and one foot.

    Moral to the story: We are in a world-wide competition for the basics of food, energy, medical care and then luxuries. They can only be obtained with the trade of the more desirable for them. The US dollar, logically, cannot be more desired as it is more and more easily obtainable. Therefore, it CANNOT be, in the longer term, more desirable than gold and silver and thus will become the less and less desired choice.

    By all means, do wait for $5 silver. It will be brought by the Tooth Fairy bringing toys and joy to little girls and boys. Really.

  • mava November 12, 2011, 8:59 pm

    “I won’t touch gold, until it goes back to under $300, so I will wait for that at the bottom of the deflationary depression I expect, several years from now. Similarly, I won’t even consider silver, until it is back down under 5 bucks.”

    Lol! D.O., you’re funny. The gold and silver has to admit it’s mistakes and come down for you to buy it? My friend, it does not matter what the POG or POS is today, because both are about 30 times cheaper than they should be.

    You do not see it, because you think that dollar is somewhat or somehow “money”. No, it is not money, and you will have a chance to feel it. It is not real.

    The brink of the collapse of the system, the first yet very telling crack of the clay foot of a colossus, does give you this unbelievable opportunity to convert fake paper game points to real money at unbelievable, unjust rates, right before all others realize what had just happened and take action that would set the rates correctly (at least), but instead, you puff your lips that you didn’t recognize it one split second before, and refuse to convert?

    That’s like seeing the light-pole half a second too late, but instead of hitting the brake pedal immediately, you say “Not until the light pole gets back where it was before I should have hit the brakes in the first place!”

    Admirable will power, but …(stopping before saying something I usually regret later).

    And… where is this “deflation” you keep mentioning?

  • obama gaga November 12, 2011, 9:56 am

    Groupon is using the chinese accountings- crook the book 10x over.

  • ricecake November 12, 2011, 6:23 am

    Why Groupon? Perhaps it’s where Wal – Mart can’t put it’s hands on? Perhaps where the small businesses Mom and Pop can compete freely? At least that’s what happened in China. But now even the Cyperspace becomes unaffordable for the small mini Chinese businesses because Mr. Mar (TaoBao) is starting to raise the user / vender fee.

  • Chris T. November 11, 2011, 10:57 pm

    “…later confirmed that account closures would not stop [the company] from continuing to acquire, permanently store, and sell all of the information about every one of its current and former users until the day they die.”

    The Onion may be satire, but when it comes to GM’s On-Star, that is the sad reality.
    Unless one damages or deactivates the module, all data is collected, and my be used or shared by GM with anyone for any purpose (as per their current terms of use). This survives all attempts at account cancellation.

    The only thing they won’t do, is call in the accident the system still reports.

    But people love to trade their privacy and rights for convenience and security…

  • Divergent Opinion November 11, 2011, 10:13 pm

    And for all of you goldbug diehards, never fear. For the 30-years of experience, great market prognosticators, The Aden Sisters (whom have been rockhard goldbulls for 10 years straight now), have projected their multi-year gold price upward parallel bands, to consider the top band touching at $1922 to be a temporary selling top, and the bottom of their decade-long bull band (currently crossing the mid-$1300’s), to be a strong gold buy. So hey, be happy, The Aden Sisters say to buy with both hands, at $1400 gold.

    As to myself, I won’t touch gold, until it goes back to under $300, so I will wait for that at the bottom of the deflationary depression I expect, several years from now. Similarly, I won’t even consider silver, until it is back down under 5 bucks.

    • Carol November 11, 2011, 10:42 pm

      lol – I am not a gold bull per se since I have not bought any gold since it hit 375 nor have I bought any silver since it hit 7 but there is no way in hell that those price targets will ever be hit again in my life time. You are starting to sound eerily like Cam in your hubris, be careful.

    • Chris T. November 11, 2011, 11:01 pm

      LOL indeed.

      The case for the US is so bullish, that’s why the dollar will appreciate, as you describe?

      I would love to hear your arguments for US and the dollar.

      I certainly hope that you have considered that your belief, not just implicitly, but directly, means that there is a reason for the dollar to appreciate.

      Usually this happens to currencies when the country of that currency has a healthy, well-functionine system and economy, and of course, monetary policy.

      So please fill me in on those bullish on the US points, I am so ignorant!

    • Divergent Opinion November 12, 2011, 1:33 am

      Carol, I have a couple of minutes, so I will answer you and ChrisT.

      Carol, I have read this forum nearly daily for some months, as it has been of some interest to me (since it’s almost always unusually dealing, with passionately overwrought, overly verbose, highly esoteric, mostly arcane, practically meaningless, ancient americana financial misc. trivia; yet, I do find it somewhat interesting, in a quasi-senile, needily pseudo-intellectual, decrepitly charming, kind of way), so I wrote what I wrote above today, solely as a warning, that IMO (as a 30-year experienced, off and on, market trader), there are highly serious technical danger signals stairght ahead, and for all markets except cash—and in (highly) probability, starting next week.

      However, since all I do is make you laugh, well then, just wholly ignore everything I wrote RA above. So fair enough. Yet as to myself, as I already said, I’ll wait several years, until I’ll consider acquiring some gold and silver (amidst deflationary depressionary circumstances), and for less than the prices, that you wisely got them for.

      And as to your Cam comparison to myself, you are mistaken. I write specific targets, and set specific timelines, on a specific date–today. But Cam did the diametric opposite, last week—as he took loony-bin public chest-pounding credit, for something he clearly did not do, and that’s call a stockmarket bull, on July 7. So go back to last Friday’s article if you doubt me, and read what I wrote in numerical detail, about his supposedly great “bullmarket call.” RA thanked me for it, less than an hour after I wrote it on Saturday, for “setting the record straight.”

      As to you, ChrisT, you either assume erroneous things, or have not read properly what I wrote above. I did not write I am bullish on America. Just the opposite. I believe America will be practically a near-pauper, socialist-dictatorship country (with ocassional mock-courtesies, to it’s evermore raped-constitution), within only a few years time, amidst the worst deflationary depression in it’s history, much worse than the 1930’s.

      So what I wrote about being totally bullish on the USA dollar, is the polar opposite, of being bullish on America. And if you do not understand this (as I am getting bored), I leave you then to your longer-winded goldbug peers herein, to explain the difference to you; or maybe RA himself qill tae the trouble, since you obviously have not understood one word that he has stated on profound deflation, and on it’s meaning, reasons, and certain effects, that an ever-strengthening USA dollar, would have on the American economy, over the next deeply deflationary decade.

    • Carol November 12, 2011, 2:13 am

      Divergent,

      ok I’ll bite (when I should know better).

      First, you prognosticate a deflationary collapse but then you post with the handle of “divergent opinion”. That does not make much sense since Rick is a deflationist (mostly) and most posters on this board are deflationist, so where is the divergent opinion?

      Second instead of making unsupported prognostications why don’t you tell us more about all these “on top of already multiple negative technical and sentiment indicator extremes” that you are seeing?

    • Divergent Opinion November 13, 2011, 5:09 pm

      Carol, don’t know if you’ll comeback to read this, but I’ll answer a couple of your questions.

      I am Divergent Opinion on this site, because as you can see by all the responses above and below to my prior all-markets crash warning post, everyone disagrees with me (except fellow contrarian trader leibowitz above). Therefore, I read this site as mostly a contrary indicator, since it is hard to find another place, with such continual linear thinking on gold and silver—and linear thought is the death of trading.

      As to your request for me to give you my personally garnered trading information, as to why I see an all-markets crash straight ahead (except cash), starting next week, I won’t do it, as it is too much work. However, I will give you a few things for you to ponder, since you are the only one here (except for leibowitz) with somewhat of an open mind just to look at facts; and not to constantly regurgitate utterly nonsensical self-serving crap, as practical all on this site do daily.

      1. the current 2011 spx chart is nearly identical to the 2007/2008 chart, shifted over only one season apart. ( http://www.etfguide.com/research/705/8/The-Chart-That ).

      2. the MACD oscillator for the 1-year DJI chart, is currently at an EXTREME overbought peak, even much higher than it was, right before it crashed 2000 DJI points in only 2 weeks, from end of July to start of August 2011.

      3. the current mutual fund cash ratio is at roughly only 3.5% cash, the lowest cash reading in 50 years, since this information started to be gathered. This shows EXTREME assured complacency in the dumb-money stockmarket, and historically ALWAYS assures the exact opposite, which is an imminent crash.

      4. the spx has bounced right back under twice, in the last 2 weeks, off BOTH the neckline of the large 2011 h&s formation, and the 200 day moving average, which is VERY negative, by MANY technical chart study philosophies, and as 2008 also proved it to be (see chart provided above.)

      5. I am still convinced, by multiple fundamental measures, that ALL the large world banks are STILL TOTALLY bankrupt, ever since the 50-year long (entire’70’s/early’80’s inflationary, and 90’s/00’s easy-credit) fiat bubble finally blew up, in late 2007, peaking at DJI at 14,093.

      And the ONLY reason, that this 2-1/2 year delayed bankrupcy proceeding of all these large banks, have not been yet performed, is NOT due to the Fed’s (nor any other world central banker’s) supposedly fiat dilutive machinations; machinations which have purposefully lead all linear-thinking easy-suckers (including ALL of you self-righteous decrepit buffoons on this site, except leibowitz, as I discovered yesterday), to believe in some grand “hyper-inflation” scenario, which is a total joke, if any of you had any brains at all.

      Because what has kept this entire “hyper-inflation” LIE rolling for these last 2-1/2 years, is NOT the penny-ante, few petty trillion (that the central bankers have fearmongeredly stolen, from their desperate, sucker constituents); no, what has kept the lie rolling, is one and only one thing: the REPEAL in april2009, of previously legally required, public company mark-to-market quarterly accounting, and of their true, current, asset values. And if you do not understand this immediately, I have lots of cheap ice in alaska to sell you, but you must bring your own truck, to pick it up.

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      final number 6 point.
      (regarding my own personal bet right now, vs. silver price.)

      silver price right now has a lovely, nearly perpendicular, death cross running against it, between the 50 and 200 day moving averages.

      Last time this occurred, it was mid 2008.
      And take a wild guess at what happened right after that.
      Think Butch and Sundance at the cliff, and “the fall will kill ya anyway.”
      As I am sure it will kill many of you linearbrain obtuse rockheads herein.
      And good riddance. I have zero tolerance for self-righteous, ever non-listening fools.
      ——–
      Deflation, dead ahead. For everything, except cash.
      You have been warned again.

  • Divergent Opinion November 11, 2011, 10:00 pm

    RA, I going on record here, 3pm est, to state that I consider today, Nov. 11, 2011, “top of the tidal wave” day.

    The insane fury of stock buying today (as though all in the debt-world has been made right), and on top of already multiple negative technical and sentiment indicator extremes, are screaming that a MAJOR top has been set in place today—and in all markets, except for cash.

    Therefore, I see a high probability of a crash next week, in all markets (except cash), and aiming the spx towards new yearly lows (probably 1000 area), and gold and silver following in tandem, down to the $1400-$1500 range, and silver to $26-$24 area. And timewise, these targets should be handily achieved, well within the remainder of 2011 timeframe.

    So obviously, I do not see gold and silver senior stocks doing well at all, either. Actually, percentagewise, I see them doing much worse, than the precious commodities they mine.

    Therefore, double-check your trading pivots asap—and consider if the possibility of what I state above, can bear fruit, next week. If so, you’ll owe me one.

    • gary leibowitz November 12, 2011, 1:26 am

      I got burnt so many times this last 2 weeks seeing a crash develop that I actually saw the possibility today but ignored it. It’s like seeing spots in front of your eyes, or floaters. Are they real or is it a figment of my imagination.

      I purchased puts all these last 2 weeks expecting a flash crash scenario to develop. I gave up today since every single yo-yo move had me seeing a black hole right ahead. I couldn’t get my puts sold since they were already chopped in a fraction of their original value. I was tempted to buy more on the cheap but Pavlov zapped me so many times before I think I learnt my lesson.

      In order for this crash to occur it has to start Monday since the indicies are in break out formation.

      Hope against hope. I made a tidy profit these last 3 months. Caught some really timely moves. Thought I was in sync, but got thrown off recently. In fact I took 30K of my winnings and bet on long shots. I never anticipated the last 2 days rally. Yes it could be a shakeout, but I can’t figure out what the catalyst over the weekend will be.

    • Divergent Opinion November 12, 2011, 3:49 am

      leibowitz,
      You are taking similar risks to myself. Yet, I have more confidence than you, since possibly I know how to find more solidly proven technical and sentiment data than you, to backup my my chosen risks.

      My main rules for myself:
      1. Never risk more than I can afford to totally lose, and especially on options (btw, I am risking much less than you state that you have already risked).

      2. the stockmarket always attempts to kill both bulls and bears at turnaround points, and most especially at extreme turnaround points, as is happening right now, IMO. Rallies and drops now-a-days appear to come out of “news” nowhere-land, but that is incorrect. They come out of historically proven market technicals and herd sentimental extremes.

      My options experience is, you study your position as thoroughly first, then you take your firm stance; and if if the market goes against you, then you continue to bet against it, averaging down, until you reach your previously chosen max. amount to be risked.

      For I never drop out, once I feel strongly about my opinion, and my studied basis. And that’s how I have made some money, over the years, in options trading. You must have total confidence on your chosen premises in order to win at options, because if you cave in halfway, and not average down (due to a sharp, unexpected, shakeout move), you will never win overall, IMO. Plus you also have to be as stubborn as a mule, like I am.

      And yes, as you say, there is a Pavloving whipping point on certain options trades, upon which you must quit, and never go back there again, as obviously, there is something major that you missed, that made all the difference. But I find, in my particular case, that only happens to me now, in about 1 out of 5 stances I take, on stock options.

      My biggest concern now-a-days is usually market direction, and then selecting which market is riper for a higher percentage fall; in the way that I feel strongly that gold and silver stocks are right now are the most likely ripe market to fall most, since everyone is so bullish on them right now.

      Finally, two other trading points that I have set for myself, and I mention them now, since you touched upon them.

      3. I never “hope” in the market. Hoping is the weakest of all choices I have made. I do or don’t do, and hope nor luck has nothing to do with anything at all. In the longrun, in you trade long enough, most everything averages out, once you set your own personal trading patterns and choices. But sticking around “hoping” is the worst of all reasons for a trade choice, in my experience. You are probably better off getting out quickly at a loss, rather than sit around and “hope.”

      4. I don’t worry ever about specific “news” catalyst, as to what is going to cause this, or do that. I have a deep multi-year study of current world economy fundamentals, thousands of hours worth; yet I do not base my specific trade choices on that, except in establishing my preferred overall market direction.

      I base most of what I do, on the technical chart data I see, plus read the chart work of the few veteran professional traders that I respect, and I check on a slew of market sentiment figures. Because, in my experience is, when the market is ripe for a meaningful rise or fall, the daily “news” events will be “interpreted” in the direction that the lopsided technical and sentiment data have already pointed to (and always in a contrarian way, obviously); and so, that’s how the “news” will be interpreted, that particular day.

      To end, I continue to expect next week to probably be “interesting times,” in the mode of the ancient chinese curse.

      But I do not consider it to be crucial, as you say, that it be Monday. It could be Wednesday, IMO, for example, and possibly even from a higher spx count.

      Yet I still strongly believe that next week will be a major turnaround, downward. And in all markets, except cash. So we shall soon see if I am wrong, over next few trading days. And if I am, I shall certainly pay for it.

      As an example of my current multiple positions, I am now optioning most against silver and gold mining stocks. Main reason being that they are the most overly-exuberant, bullish-sentiment markets at the moment—they are so mega-bullish, and the metal backing them also (even beyond even current equities uber-bullishmess), that they are bound to fail very soon, and hard, IMO.

      Plus, I also feel there is very strong resistance in low $1800 gold, and high $35 silver, and neither has even been strongly tested yet. I feel both will hold, over next week, and causing both markets to crater along with a large equity fall, while everybody gawks in amazement, as to what was not supposed to happen to (supposed) “safehaven” PM’s, happening.

      Plus I also feel strongly that there will be no Santa Claus rally his year in any market (except cash), and just because practically everybody is already complacently expecting it, as a certain given.

      Yet 2007 had no Santa Claus rally. And in my divergent opinion, neither will 2011.

      So we shall soon see if I am correct or wrong on this, and most probably starting next week.

    • gary leibowitz November 12, 2011, 5:41 am

      Divergent,

      Thanks for the advice. My style is similar to yours. My conviction is the same. In fast changing markets like this I love to play the long shots. It has worked very well for me these last 3 months. In fact the violent swings we had over the summer were my best trades. In and out long and short on a dime. My assumptions that we already saw the top caught me by surprise. I was convinced 1292 was the top and it was going to cascade down from there. I bet very short term expirations and OTM puts/calls. I have made big money on very few trades that way in the past. This is only when the conditions are there.

      I only bet with the expectation of losing it all in this type of environment. That doesn’t mean it hurts any less. I hate to be wrong and I hate to lose.

      As for my “hope and prayer” latest bet I am not so sure the indices don’t break out. While the current move is on the cusp and major reversals come off that type of action I still see a lot of new money looking for a home. The choices are very few. Bonds, commodities, real estate, even foreign equities markets are not good plays today. In affect the only game in town is U.S. equities. I believe that’s why the markets have been stretched further than the norm.

      What will it take to make a major trend change? I have already made 3 bets over the last week whenever I thought I could grab an advantage. I could have made quick profits on all of them had I not made these bets on an assumption of a break down in the market. I usually don’t play that way. Given my belief we are in the terminal stage of this Bull Run I love to try and time the final top.

      I would love to see a breakdown starting Monday. My view is that it has to be Monday or the indices will break above critical resistance levels. Since there are so many program trades a break above resistance carries the market much higher. I am actually thinking of adding a 4th bet only if Monday turns into a decent down draft.

    • SD1 November 13, 2011, 3:43 am

      You and a billion others are all predicting the same “high probability” of a crash. That’s why we’re most often wrong.

      Your opinion isn’t divergent at all, and you should consider changing your name to “Mass Opinion.”

    • Divergent Opinion November 13, 2011, 6:25 pm

      leibowitz,
      what technical formula did you use to achieve this:
      “…In fact the violent swings we had over the summer were my best trades. In and out long and short on a dime.”

      What you state here in amazing. “On a dime” turns, in an extreme vix market.
      Tell me what is your “…on a dime” turning method, so I can study it.

      Myself, I got killed on Oct.4, with the last 40 minutes of trading turnaround, creating a powerful bear-rally island reversal. And all I have been trying to achieve, over the last month, is solely to get my lost money back, plus maybe a few extra sheckels; thus, I have been studying hard.

      And all I find everywhere, technically and sentimentally, are extremely negative, for all markets, except cash.

      So that is why this next week in particularly important to me, as I took a short-term bet on it, in order to try to make my lost Oct. 4 money back, and then some.

      And silver is the prime sucker I found, with gold coming in second, and the spx third.

      And, from all I have seen, it will all drop big next week, and for dozens of technical reasons. A big fall, in all markets, except cash. So we will all soon see if I am correct, or not.

      Yet, I still want to learn your technical “on a dime” method, so I can learn more.

  • Goodsport November 11, 2011, 7:18 pm

    The problem is not the fault of high tech. Groupon is a good company up to a certain price. The real problem is Wall Street. The people valuing the IPOs are crooked. Then when the stocks go public, the computers start trading with each other and valuations get even more out of line. People may wise up yet, leave the casino to the criminals and figure out they can make more money investing in highly promising start-ups with strong management teams. Yes they do exist and I know where there is one.

  • Andrea November 11, 2011, 7:11 pm

    That is to say, I double-ditto Mava’s rave for your rant.
    Don’t know enough about all the CIA stuff.

  • Andrea November 11, 2011, 7:07 pm

    Mercurious, I double-ditto Mava. LOVED it.
    Your post is balm for humans everywhere
    (but especially of the age at which to “opt out”
    is to “be out of it”) who have given FB a wide berth
    out of a natural instinct against privacy intrusion.
    Or perhaps not so much “natural” as “bred in” ,
    since Facebook FANS of all ages seem to have
    discarded any desire for privacy–and dignity–
    right along with their reason at the portal.
    Apparently the new “rite of passage” for 13-year-olds
    is to sign onto Facebook…much of the time with
    their loving parents’ help. Our grandson is turning
    13 soon: I don’t even want to know!
    .

  • Mysteryman November 11, 2011, 6:04 pm

    I cant believe anybody is stupid enough to upload their personal information into the CIA’s database aka Facebook.

    What do you think the facial recognition software is for?

    Anybody who has a FB account cannot be taken seriously as a thinker.

  • mava November 11, 2011, 5:48 pm

    Oops, tons of typos in my post today…

  • mava November 11, 2011, 5:46 pm

    Mercurious,

    That is a hello of a awesome post. You have spoken the feeling I have for this idiocracy implement, Facebook. All of that stupid portal is exactly the “masturbatory drivel” that you describe. Seriously, your post should be the wikipedia entry for facebook.

    I also happen to hate Bing. I always fought it. As having to do with making some decisions on what new PCs are going to use for a search engine, I have always, from day one, viciously opposed Bing, and made sure that it has no chance whatsoever, not on my watch. The name itself is extremely offensive. Bing? As in “Bang”, “Bling”, and “Blong”? The stupidity and lameness of Microsoft truly knows no end.

    Carol,

    Hight five to you too for mentioning what Facebook truly is. It has been known for a while, but as I am sure you have noticed, people just don’t learn, do not take notice, unless the information is advertised, and obtrusively shoved in ther minds.

    First, it has long been known that Facebook is a complete front for CIA, and suckerberg is no less a fantom than Einstein was, yet everyone believes the CIA story, because “that’s not what the movie said”.

    Secondly, didn’t it all leaked out that all of the Arab “Revolutions” were a product of CIA Facebook team, completely fake and thought from a scratch?

    Third, it is becoming somewhat a common knowledge now that OWA is organized by CIA, but the Facebook link, although present, is not very obvious.

  • Carol November 11, 2011, 4:53 pm

    Mercurios “If you’ve read his story, Zuckerberg seems to be genuinely committed to as full, open and transparent an online presence for the denizens of his world as possible. How convenient that you can make a lot of money, and provide a ready tool for obtrusive government or criminal elements, at the same time.”

    if you only knew. FB was dreamed up and funded by the black ops spooks to do their work for them. Now instead of having to do actual intelligence gathering on their “targets” they just need to go into FB and gather everything they need from the targets own “mouth” (fingers).

    Why would anyone voluntarily get onto that website and give ANY personal information about themselves is totally beyond me.

    Do believe me that it was funded and created by the CIA? Check out this short video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqj4c8g4elU

  • Mercurious November 11, 2011, 4:24 pm

    As someone who has to deal with Facebook as part of my work duties–dear God, can an organization no longer survive without “Social Media!”?–every day I make sure to add a bit of fresh fruit to my voodoo shrine, coaxing the vengeful gods to give me just one good FB hacking incident that destroys it. Apparently something like 660,000 hacked log-ins admitted each day are not enough to discourage the digerati. It’s a place where 9/10ths of what is displayed is masturbatory drivel shoveled out to those whose online “relationships” with brands crowds out real life.

    I have to have a 20-something assistant just to keep up with the constant fiddling they do with it, breaking our code to insert another “privacy enhancing” way to display yet more about yourself to the wide world.

    N.B.: I think I’ve noticed they’re making their biz affiliate partners use smaller and smaller opt-out tic boxes; perhaps soon each account will come with bifocals and an LED flashlight.

    If you’ve read his story, Zuckerberg seems to be genuinely committed to as full, open and transparent an online presence for the denizens of his world as possible. How convenient that you can make a lot of money, and provide a ready tool for obtrusive government or criminal elements, at the same time.

    My own solution is to use a completely fabricated identity for the personal account I have to endure, shut off everything in sight as far at porting to my “friends,” and pray this wah-wah pedal of communications tools makes that one fatal mistake nurtured by hubris that will flip it to poison. Maybe I can get back to actual communications then and leave the stream-of-consciousness musings to the grandmothers, malcontents and mental defectives that seem to swarm around it.

    • Marc November 11, 2011, 6:48 pm

      Just be careful — I know that here in Texas, using false identifying information to create an account is an actual criminal offense. It’s pathetic that you can get in trouble for trying to protect your identity, but the law is absolute in its language; it does not require that you then use that fictitious acount ID to commit some type of additional offense. I would expect that at least some other states to have similar laws, and Lord knows what’s buried in our federal statutes.

    • Mercurious November 12, 2011, 11:32 pm

      Marc, just FYI: I am in Texas and I looked at the legal consequences. The statute passed a year or two ago that specifically address this deals with “online harassment” and makes it a felony to create phony profiles on social networking sites with the intent to “harm, defraud, intimidate, or threaten” others.

      It’s generally agreed that anything broader would never pass a court challenge. I’d love to see Facebook’s reaction when a high profile case was brought against someone who was trying to protect their online identity when their job required participation. Whoo boy, I bet I could retire on that out of court settlement. All you’d have to do is just threaten not to drop it.

      Thnaks for the heads-up nonetheless, appreciated…

  • Sutton November 11, 2011, 3:09 pm

    As someone who despises Michael Bloomberg, I hope that Google turns it’s guns on the Bloomberg franchise.
    What fat there is to be had. Bloomberg gets 1500-2500 a month per terminal (!) which is basically an internet /news feed with a foundation of interest rate calculations.
    Google would just need to build out a news division, and have its engineers develop interest rate software, which I’m sure they can do in 2 weeks. Then charge half of Bloomberg, or give it away for free. Who knows?

  • John Jay November 11, 2011, 4:47 am

    Hey, why not? It’s not like there is the slightest chance that the SEC etc. will interfere no matter how outrageous the Ponzi scheme. LTCM, Madoff, MF Global, Jefferson county Alabama, Countrywide, government guaranteed student loans, no bid AfPakIraq contracts, on and on it goes. The Oligarchs operate in a legal vacuum. And there are no openings for you and I down at the local Oligarch branch office!

  • mario cavolo November 11, 2011, 4:19 am

    Chinese ripoff the idea?

    Rick oh great leader you’re way behind the eight ball on that one. Groupon already came to China merged with a local web company, created a mess, scandale of all sorts, opening and closing offices all over the country, accusations of idiocy flying, all the while, literally dozens of copycats have popped up!!! The best of which is http://www.wufantuan.com Occasional reads at http://www.shanghaidaily.com will keep Americans abreast of happenings 7000 miles away which are worth knowing…

    Cheers, Mario

    Cheers, Mario

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    Thanks for the report, Mario. Damned near impossible to do business over there when your business deals in intellectual property. RA

    • mario cavolo November 14, 2011, 4:31 pm

      Noted Rick, An enormous misconception that China censors, ie blocks websites in the name of political idealism; good grief it has nothing to do with politics, its just business folks. They block google so that baidu can flourish, they block facebook so that kaixin and weibo can fluorish; its BUSINESS, what don’t you understand, its about money, however they might cast it on the surface, or however the MSM might naively cast it. It amazes me how this point is missed. And on IP, you are dead right. Even here in China, we’re afraid to buy an item because we don’t know whether its real or fake or an overrun or off the back of the truck or a fake of a fake or what…? And with a new born ( boy 🙂 ) , this applies to no less than baby formula, where I buy a Chinese version of Similac here made by Abbott, all the while doubting whether it really is, I kid you not…the top Macau/China border run product isn’t weed, its baby formula from Japan…Cheers, Mario