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‘Nothing Will Change’

By Rick Ackerman Posted on September 2, 2011, 12:01 am EDT Last Updated September 2, 2011, 6:00 am EDT

[In the guest commentary below, Rick’s Picks forum regular John Skerencak (aka ‘John Jay’) sounds a note of deep despair as we wait for the other shoe to drop, economically speaking. There are no white knights about to ride to the rescue, nor could our corrupt, entrenched political system even implement a good idea if one were up for discussion.  The best we can do, says John, is to hope that Japan and Europe flame out before we do.  RA]

Resolved:  Nothing is going to change, so let’s pray that Europe and Japan crash before we do. Will the existing political system change things? No, it will not.  The entire process is corrupt beyond redemption.  Just look at the slate of cartoon-like characters offered by the Republicans — excepting Ron Paul, who is already invisible to the mainstream media. Will the States rise up and confront the Federal Government?

No, they won’t.  Various state governors have their pet complaints — immigration, gun control, national IDs, etcetera — but they all want the Federal money. As much of it as they can get. Even Texas Rick Perry seems to have balanced his budget with Federal stimulus money. Will outraged citizens call a Constitutional convention? No, they won’t.  Anyone who has read Kurt Vonnegut’s Slaughterhouse Five knows why. Americans all want to be the boss and will criticize any potential leader to death. Remember Ross Perot and Pat Buchanan?

Will Col. Kurtz stage a military coup? No, he will not.  Ah, my favorite dream:  Col. Kurtz and an elite force of heavily armed, outraged, active-duty military Patriots descend on the next State of the Union Address to bring the traitors to justice.  In reality anyone above the rank of captain has been thoroughly vetted and is only interested in promotions, outstanding performance reviews and not rocking the boat.  The higher up you go, the more this is true.

When Law and Order Fail

I think that covers all the bases. The downward trend in this country will continue due to that old law of physics:  A body in motion will continue in motion unless acted upon by an outside force.  I don’t see any outside forces on the horizon.  So let’s all feather our nests and pray that Europe and Japan fall apart before we do.  Because what will happen in this country after a currency collapse will be a lot worse than what we have to contend with now.  Recently, burglars broke into an East West bank branch close to me in Rowland Heights and cleaned out the safe deposit boxes.  Just imagine if law and order really break down. Below are three interesting links that showcase the decline.

They treat government spending and waste, oil imports and the trade deficit.  At the bottom of that first link, read Nowhere to Cut? If that is all you read on the page, it never ends and only gets worse. Nice to know Dennis Hastert is still getting $40k a month expenses paid by taxpayers for being a lobbyist.

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  • mario cavolo September 5, 2011, 4:24 am

    I’ll say it again, is a conspiratorial manipulated miracle the way the news meets the market swings…

    The past two weeks nothing but supposed good news to justify the two week bounce, then suddenly when the market prices just happens to hit exact chart resistance (equities and crude) , the bad news just coincidentally happens to appear to justify the swing back down….unbelievable!!

  • H. Hub September 4, 2011, 1:10 pm

    I can’t believe that whoever wrote this is actually advocating a military coup in this country. If you want to see the results of a military coups just take a look at many countries in South America and Africa. This is the most stupid, moronic thing I’ve read in a long time!

  • gary leibowitz September 3, 2011, 5:38 am

    Change is inevitable. In fact it’s even predictable. Expand your myopic vision and view history over the last few hundred years. We have had many economic calamities that were followed by political and cultural change, most for the good. Human nature dictates these events. It’s genetically engrained.

    That’s what makes us such a dominant force on this planet. Economic cycles are as predictable as emotional cycles during very stressful times. Did the 30’s result in total world ruin? In fact after every such calamity we have become stronger in the next cycle.

    It’s only when you view events on a micro level, where personal experiences cloud our generational march to higher economic, cultural, spiritual levels.

    The most recent theory of evolution shows that chance mutations was not the catalyst to smarter intelligence. It was only during times of stress that natural selection cherished the individual that could adapt. Our ancestors, for over 3 million years developed many different physical differences but their brain size remained the same. It was only during climate upheaval that we saw a spurt in brain size growth.

    Economic calamity will be dealt with the same way. We will adapt and grow stronger. Civilizations, for the most part, don’t die out because of calamity and rapid change. They die from stagnation.

  • Anthony F September 3, 2011, 4:33 am

    Rick A,
    Today’s post, in case you have not seen it….

    http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/charles-hugh-smith/2011/09/02/endgame-when-debt-is-fraud-debt-forgiveness-is-the-last-and-only-remedy

    Rick Ackerman: “’Ultimately, every penny of every debt must be paid — if not by the borrower, then by the lender.’ Inflationists and deflationists implicitly agree on this point… and we differ only on the question of who, borrower or lender, will take the hit.” (Let’s Think This Through Together….)

    I posted a pithy response in the comment section:

    “Both Rick and Gonzalo left out the obvious third way–debt forgiveness. No… debt does not have to be paid by someone; it can be absolved, especially debt created upon fraudulent and/or counterfeit-ridden practice… (D)erivatives are not real wealth, and neither was the ostensible climb in the values of housing resting in large part on those phony-wealth derivatives.

    • mario cavolo September 5, 2011, 5:30 am

      There are many people who should simply choose forced debt forgiveness by simply walking away from their debts.

      There WAS a debt-related fraud that suckered people. I know other arguments that individual’s make the choice to take the debt, but one MUST also give weight to the socio-economic context within which human beings are absolutely brainwashed by society and make choices which seem at first glance to be free choices but in fact are not, they are choices driven by conditioned behaviors and therefore, one cannot ignore context. People WERE suckered, in a myriad of ways. Those very same people are to that degree, victims, in fact they are permanent victims. They do have the right to walk away from their debts and many of them should do so, without a single ounce of ethical guilt or regret. However, in doing so, their credit reports are ruined. Well, they can easily learn, as I have, to NOT buy anything on credit anyway so there’s no real loss in that regard…

      Tip, folks, rent and also start your own business, ANY business, part-time so that you can legitimately and easily write off a portion of your rent and other “office supplies” and depreciate larger purchases too. So many things you buy can be declared as equipment, services, samples, etc. used in the course of normal business. This is the way a little guy can have very good advantage of the political, tax and business system as it exists now….

      Cheers, Mario

  • John Jay September 2, 2011, 5:38 pm

    While we all may argue about how we got here, and where we are headed in the future, we all seem to be in complete agreement that we are indeed in a very bad place. It is at the level of a Marx Brothers movie plot to hear all the politicians from Obama on down talking about the government creating “Jobs”. All the government can create is more debt, while they are busy raiding Gibson guitar and childrens lemonade stands.
    No child or business left alone, that’s the policy!

    • mario cavolo September 5, 2011, 4:38 am

      Hi John Jay, let’s simplify where we’re headed for say, the next 10 years…

      a. In America…continued declining situation for the middle class

      b. In Asia (and BRICs)- continued improving situation for the middle class

      c. For the wealthy, richer than ever, wealth share more concentrated than ever (greatly contributing to a. and b. above)

      d. Continued rising inflationary prices for just about everything except perhaps U.S. real estate.

      e. Many years of low interest rates essential across the major economies.

      f. Continued poor, self-serving, broken political system out of Washington and all self-serving big business associated with that world…lobbying, pharma, insurance, oil

      I would say that is our current “state” of affairs and that if any one of those items breaks out of its state, regardless of why, the ensuing reactions will be classic Per Bak’s sandpile; completely unpredictable…

  • Marc September 2, 2011, 3:33 pm

    I don’t know why this post got inserted above, but since it is in response to Steve, I’m re-posting it here.

  • Marc September 2, 2011, 3:30 pm

    You’ve hit the nail on the head, Steve. The democratic REBUBLIC of the Constitution has been gradually transformed into something more akin to a pure social democracy by virtue of our Supreme Court eroding the principles of our founding doucment. It is to be expected that the less wholesome office seekers (both legislative and executive) will pander to their constituents in order to get elected, consitutional restraints be damned . The nine justices of the Supreme Court are our only bastion against such erosion, and they have too often faltered. But what can we really expect? Like everyone else, they are mere mortals with personal beliefs and ideologies that influence their view of things, and some of them are going to be leftists.

    • Steve September 2, 2011, 7:56 pm

      Marc, the court is only relecting that the masses have voluntarily taken on corporate nature under the 14th amendment, and assent to the rebellion of congress via the Reconstruction Acts, and abuse of Commerce Clause – Obamacare is established under commercial premise of right to keep corporate workers healthy for the master creator congress.

      The S.C. said in about 1930 that they would hold the Constitution in trust until such time as the People tire of democracy.

      S.C. works in Roman Civil Law/territorial law for the corporate enfranchisee created by legislative act U.S. citizen, and should find the Common Law for the Citizen of a several State. ( now a pipe dream that will not happen because of justice admin/corruption)

  • mava September 2, 2011, 2:17 am

    As I am not a graded student of history of the American Freedom Experiment, someone please, tell me if founding fathers had this in mind (the supremacy of private property rights above individuals, majorities and the state itself)?

    Secondly, did any of them ever said that the achievement of this principle is practically impossible without the “exception principle”, or “opt-out rule”, and that is the right to opt-out of anything legislated that the individual did not vote for? This, for instance, would allow one to not pay taxes, to not have social security, and to not participate in the Obama-Care, if he did not vote for it, but will not allow him to receive any benefits from those either. One simply opt-outs, allowing others to peacefully pursue whatever the form of mass insanity they want to pursue.

    • Steve September 2, 2011, 7:47 pm

      Websters Dictionary 1828 – ALLO’DIUM –

      Freehold Estate; land which is the absolute property of the owner; real estate held in absolute independence, without being subject to any rent, service, or acknowledgement to a superior. It is thus opposed to feud. In England, there is no allodial land, all land held of the king; but in the United States, most lands are allodial.

      Blacks Law Dictionary Fourth Revised Edition, Fee Simple Absolute Deed – Fee, fife feud, feudal, feudal tenanture, peon, serf, slave.

      FINE AMERICANS admit to British Styled feudalism via the Fee Simple Absolute Deed created by “use” of debt instruments called Federal Reserve Notes. Thus, the Highest “simple”, from of inheritiable slave character. Look to the Law of Escheats and the state Lord of Lands.

      Yes the Framers acknowledged the Covenant Edowments of Abraham to hold the Soil as an inheritance.

    • Steve September 2, 2011, 7:50 pm

      No one is forced to have a Social Security Number by the Federal Government. One may not be able to have a bank account or do business in a state, county, or city because the Laws of prohibition in regard to use of SSN is only against the Federal Goverment, and do not prohibit the state from using said SSN as I.D.

    • mava September 4, 2011, 9:03 pm

      Definition of EMINENT DOMAIN
      : a right of a government to take private property for public use by virtue of the superior dominion of the sovereign power over all lands within its jurisdiction

      Examples of EMINENT DOMAIN

      1. The state took the homes by eminent domain to build the new road.

      First Known Use of EMINENT DOMAIN
      1783

      Allodium means nothing when you’re ruled by communists, because communists write their own laws.

  • mava September 2, 2011, 2:09 am

    Oh wow, how exciting! This thread actually turned to something that IS THE CORNERSTONE of all our troubles, and without fixing which, no small government or constitutional powers can restore this country.

    Yes, it is the recognition that the property of an individual is supreme to:
    – the interests of other individuals,
    – the interest of the masses or majorities,
    – it is unquestionably supreme to the interest of the state.

    Basically, the state can go to hell, but it can not take my land. That is what I meant when I said that the Tea Party will result in nothing for reestablishment of above principle is not their goal.

    Anything else, does not matter how cleverly written and tightly guarded, will undoubtedly be corrupted, as it shall be, because lacking the above rule, it is still unholy.

    • mikeck September 3, 2011, 12:40 am

      Mava wrote,

      “This thread actually turned to something that IS THE CORNERSTONE of all our troubles, and without fixing which, no small government or constitutional powers can restore this country.”

      Indeed, it has helped me decide to put my Liberty Dollars up for sale wherever I can find a market. To hell with the CS-BBs who think they are in control. I own me and refuse to be guided by scum-bags. In case any of you missed it, here is the latest report from the criminals. http://www.coinworld.com/articles/liberty-dollars-may-be-subject-to-seizure/

  • Steve September 2, 2011, 1:14 am

    Democracy –

    A tryanny run by despots leading to violent destruction.

    TM2000(15) pg. 118 – 19
    DEMOCRACY:
    A government of the masses.
    Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of direct expression.
    Results in mobocracy.
    Attitude toward property is communistic-negating property rights.
    Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consquences.
    Results in demogagism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy.

    Take your democracy and shove it where the sun does not shine, for we have died for a Free Republic not some high education propaganda representative democracy – which is still a tyranny run by despots leading to violent destruction – summary Federalist #46, James Madison.

    Republics are about the Right of the Individual being superior to the will of the masses mobocracy. That is Unalienable Covenant Endowments, constitutionally secured.

    • Marc September 2, 2011, 3:33 pm

      This post belongs here, not above.

      You’ve hit the nail on the head, Steve. The democratic REBUBLIC of the Constitution has been gradually transformed into something more akin to a pure social democracy by virtue of our Supreme Court eroding the principles of our founding doucment. It is to be expected that the less wholesome office seekers (both legislative and executive) will pander to their constituents in order to get elected, consitutional restraints be damned . The nine justices of the Supreme Court are our only bastion against such erosion, and they have too often faltered. But what can we really expect? Like everyone else, they are mere mortals with personal beliefs and ideologies that influence their view of things, and some of them are going to be leftists.

      • redwilldanaher September 2, 2011, 4:51 pm

        I just a simple man but the way I see it, what we have now is virtually the one thing that the founders were trying desperately to avoid creating. We have the opposite of what was intended and feared.

      • Steve September 2, 2011, 8:19 pm

        Well stated Red,
        Results in demogagism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy.
        We have come from the Framer’s belief that the Covenant Endowments of the “Individual” Sovereigns in Common are Unalienable. To the point where administrative rules of Obama/Bush whomever, and the legislative will of the masses rule without regard to consequences.
        (cut and paste from above)
        TM2000(15) pg. 118 – 19
        DEMOCRACY:
        A government of the masses.
        Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of direct expression.
        Results in mobocracy.
        Attitude toward property is communistic-negating property rights.
        Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consquences.
        Results in demogagism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy.

        Each and every Republican calls u.s. a democracy, as does S.O.S. Clinton / Obama / Reid / McConnell / Boehner DECLARE to the World that the U.S. is spreading DEMOCRACY.

        This governmental form is abusing territorial law, over alleged territorial citizens via a corporation 28 U.S. 3002(15) that is defined as “foreign”. Sad thing is that the masses just keep eating it up because the less one does the more one gets from the governmental form until it collapses in anarchy – (see; last word in DEMOCRACY – above TM2000(15) – War Department for the united States of America TM Training Manual)

  • dennis September 2, 2011, 12:44 am

    Steve: I don’t recall him writing that, but I will let him speak for himself. The problem I have is what I see as a misguided attempt to establish some sort of ‘equivalency’ — as if teachers or other public sector employees who make 50 or 60k a year, with decent pensions, or low income homeowners who got in over their heads, are somehow ‘as guilty as everyone else’. Matt Taibbi in his piece about the deal being worked out between the banks and the state AG’s makes an interetsing point. While the haggling is over 20 billion in bankster fines related to foreclosure practices, the outrageous injustice is the immunity that may be granted for all of the upstream fraud, probably involving trillions. As he points out the FLA state workers pension fund alone lost 62 billion dollars, in large part becasue it was stuffed with the crap created and peddled by Wall Street pimps. I keep hearing about how the pension funds are broke, ostensibly because of the ‘greedy’,, no good public sector unions. While I wouldn’t want to have to defend them in the court of public opinion why doesnt anybody ask: would pension funds be broke if they were allowed to declare themselves as banks, given access to unlimited free money and multi-billion dollar give-aways, front-run market orders using high speed computer algorithms, accept outside investments and bet against their client positions, adopt phony accounting rules, and profit from arbitraging US Treasury purchases?

  • mava September 1, 2011, 10:55 pm

    “The fact that some people see this as an accident or the result of ‘big government’ that can be solved by a ’smaller government’ is baffling to me.”

    Exactly, Dennis! The system is just reaching it’s design effectiveness, in fleecing the crowds of everything they have. Who would want to stop it?

  • mikeck September 1, 2011, 10:40 pm

    Red, Since I could not include you in my post to my other lists, it appears below.

    Subj: This deserves it’s own post

    “I don’t know what frustrates me more, intelligent people that still believe there is a solution to all this via the political system or the apathy of hundreds of millions as they’re being systematically herded into even smaller pens.” redwilldanaher 1 Sept. 2011 in comments at Ricks Picks.

    Amen Red, you have warmed the cockles of my heart,
    Mike

    PS: RWD’s primary mistake, as I see it, was assuming those who think a solution lies in the political system are intelligent…have they, by their actions, not proven just the opposite?

    PSS: Sometimes I wish it were possible to return to being a certified member of the apathetic, but as those of you who have taken the red pill know, there is no return route.

    • redwilldanaher September 2, 2011, 4:02 pm

      Hi mikeck,

      I hear you on the “ps and pss” loud and clear. All that I can respond with is that the conditioning seems to have worked so well that even people that appear to be intelligent refuse to believe what their eyes have seen and ears have heard. Cognitive dissonance I suppose.

    • mikeck September 3, 2011, 12:18 am

      Amen RWD,

      We have been challenged!

  • dennis September 1, 2011, 8:25 pm

    JJ:
    “The housing mess is crazy. I heard Catherine Austin Fitts say that each mortgage had been used as security in an MBS package up to ten times as a matter of course!”

    Exactly! which is why all of this talk about ‘loan modification’, or ‘housing reform’, etc, is nonsense. It would require ‘discovery’ to unravel who owns and/or has rights to all the income streams. The entire financial structure rests on an assembly line of fraud, non-disclosure, accounting fictions, and a continuous and limitless supply of liquidity to provide the illusion of solvency. As you say in your piece ‘nothing will change’, but the reason is that the captains have absolutely no stake in the rescue, and everything to lose in fixing or allowing the system to be fixed. in the financial sector the old ‘business model’ has been (gradually) destroyed and is now in (a more rapid) process of being abondoned. Simply stated, the return-on-capital model of choice is now a combination of financial and accounting fraud, the ongoing transfer of risks/losses to the public sector and rewards/profits to the private sector, (via liquidity injections; non-recourse and zero-interest ‘loans’, etc). It has become a more predictable ROC model than that based on real investment with a longer horizon.

    The fact that some people see this as an accident or the result of ‘big government’ that can be solved by a ‘smaller government’ is baffling to me. The ruinous model (for the rest of us, anyway) was by design and required a truly impressive tri-partisan effort involving a completely corruptable set of republican and democratic politicans and private sector actors who simply exchanged hats when the script called for new faces, or new lines, and who circled the wagons whenever anyone seriously threatened to close down the curtain, remove them from the stage, or re-write the script.

  • Hardrock September 1, 2011, 7:31 pm

    Carol: For the record and in the original Latin…..
    Newton’s first law

    Lex I: Corpus omne perseverare in statu suo quiescendi vel movendi uniformiter in directum, nisi quatenus a viribus impressis cogitur statum illum mutare.
    Law I: Every body persists in its state of being at rest or of moving uniformly straight forward, except insofar as it is compelled to change its state by force impressed.[13]

    The “equal and opposite” stuff doesn’t come in until the Third Law.

  • John Jay September 1, 2011, 6:48 pm

    dennis,
    The housing mess is crazy. I heard Catherine Austin Fitts say that each mortgage had been used as security in an MBS package up to ten times as a matter of course! I guess the perps figured when it all collapsed no one would notice. When she tried to institute some reforms while she was Asst. Sect. of Housing the higher ups told her, “we can’t do that, how will our friends collect any fees?” I just googled her name twice and got “kayaks” once, and “craigs list” the second time.
    I guess she has already been sent down the memory hole!

    • DonF September 4, 2011, 3:16 pm

      google knows on which side it lies ( hey nice pun!)

      Try Ixquick.com… over 400000 hits for Catherine Austin Fitts

      also does not record your ip address

      also has built in proxy to keep the chosen site from gathering your ip address.

  • dennis September 1, 2011, 6:31 pm

    Here are just few recent local (philadelphia) and national news items that should cheer everybody up and give everlasting hope to conservative and liberal alike:

    1.There are now 19 separate federal investigations into possible fraud regarding the establisment and operation of charter schools in the City of Phila, while the Superintendent of of the puclic school system steps aside under a cloud, pocketing a $900,000 buy-out of her multi-year contract.
    2. A local state rep (democrat, as if that matters) pleads guilty to fraud charges after his relatives basically turn evidence against against him
    3. Mayor Nutter tells parents to “do their job or face the consequences” , possibly of being fined, if their teenage children a violate curfew, which the police suppsoedly will use their ‘good judgement’ to encorce…this, an attempt to be ‘proactive’ with regard to the recent spate of flash mob attacks
    4. The SEC is reported to have destroyed, contrary to its own internal policies, 18-19,ooo documents related to the investigations of Wall Street improprieties/crimes. Denials were at first pathetic, followed by excuses equally so.
    5. The BBC feed into NPR covered an ‘on the scene’ report of Mc-Mansion neighborhoods in and around Las Vegas that are in the throws of near complete social breakdown. Residents who thought they were buying into a safe suburban lifestyle face an epidemic of abandoned/foreclosed, neglected properties; grafitti, litter, crime force those who remain to bar windows, erect metal fences and patrol their own properties for fear of vandalism or burgulary.
    6. The Obama adminsitration is putting pressure on the NY attorney general to tow the line and join the other state AG’s in reaching a settlement regarding the banks’ robo-signing/ foreclosure misdeeds/negligence/illigalities. On the table is a 20 billion dollar ‘fine’, in total, which the banks in question will agree to pay if they are granted immunity for any and all ‘misdeeds’ related to the origination, securitization, and sale of dodgy mortgages and mortgage backed securities…currently lurking somewhere in the shadow banking system, pension funds, municipal investment portflios, etc. In what amounts? 100’s of billions; trillions or 100’s of trillions of , derivatives, synthetics derivities — squared, cubed, or whaterver?

    Do you think, maybe the ‘average’ person is beginning to sense that it makes no sense to play by the rules. T hat the criminal class of white collar/banking/financial elite has reached exactly the same conclusion? That the similarity between the ‘flash mobster’ and the ‘bankster’ is that both recognize that the chances of ‘getting away with it’ are pretty damn good. That the only realy difference beteeen the two is the means at their dispossal which they have to fleece everyone else? That one group senses while the other group knows for certain, by way of direct experience,that the political class is clueless, and that most of them can be bought for a price they can easily afford?

  • John Jay September 1, 2011, 5:55 pm

    Steve, the problem is since the Fed can just print cash, or for greater volume just create electronic monies, they no longer need our savings. It just gums up the works of their wealth transfer schemes. Hence the low interest rates offered to “savers”. Back in the early 1980s, they were not yet bold enough to pull off the scam, so they needed our “savings”, hence the high interest rates on CDs back then. The reserve status of the petro dollar has so far saved us from the north of 40% Greek two year notes pay. I don’t know when the dollar will take the big hit. Let’s see what the Germans decide about bailing out the weaker nations in Europe.

  • redwilldanaher September 1, 2011, 4:18 pm

    Nice work JJ. I do remember Perot and Buchanon and have referenced them several times in Rick’s forum. Most of us remember how the MSM made Perot out to be a complete buffoon and how they treated Admiral Stockdale as well because both were not polished politicians and as a result were a threat to the program. As for Pat. B., well remember he was “angry, xenophobic, racist”…. A little further back Kissinger showed Reagan the “…the brush by which he would be tarred…” if he didn’t get with the program. Same old, same old. I don’t know what frustrates me more, intelligent people that still believe there is a solution to all this via the political system or the apathy of hundreds of millions as they’re being systematically herded into even smaller pens.

    • John Jay September 1, 2011, 5:02 pm

      Thanks redwilldanaher.
      I think we forget what a mess most Americans have made of their lives. I went to the local Sheriff’s station to report a petty theft and while I waited for a deputy I watched:
      Females paying the impound fee of $168 on their cars because their boyfriends were caught driving without a license, three of those.
      One female reporting her ex dropped by and threatened to “kill her and burn down her house.”
      One runaway female juvenile being returned to her mom, mom was crying, kid had the Charles Manson stare.
      One female reporting the neighbor had shot her dog.
      I doubt any of them had much interest in the doings of the Federal Reserve Bank, too worried about their next police interaction.

    • mava September 1, 2011, 5:14 pm

      That’s right JJ,

      I see that as well. And unlike those who never seen a revolution, I know that it is these individuals that now comprise more than half of the country, that are going to matter most. It is their presence or absence will decide if the revolution that is coming will be bloody chaos or purposeful calm. These people “from hell” are nothing but the result of the “nanny state”, without knowledge, skills, desires or even moral compass about the simplest of things such as not having a criminal idiot boyfriend.

      Right now almost all of them are grown and calmly fed by the government skim from the working people. There will come a day, when they will be told “go and provide for yourself”.

    • Steve September 1, 2011, 5:43 pm

      “. . .intelligent people that still believe there is a solution to all this via the political system or the apathy of hundreds of millions as they’re being systematically herded into even smaller pens.”

      Red,
      I believe the high educated intelligent ones are, for the most part, a mass created by no more than 5 wacko professor brain washed doops, or dopes in white powder if that serves the thought better.

      There is a reason why Yale, and Harvard turn up in the resume’ of leading idiots when it comes to bigotry in controlling breeding, by reducing space, in order to control food and water (add oil if you choose). Off topic, but; I just learned that it is a crime to camp more than 150′ off a road in the Western National Forest system. Big Brother wants his eye on you !

      Apathy rightly applies to those who have been trained up in Public Education to be tolerant, uncommitted, feely-good, self-centered, self-serving, or just plain ole’ selfish. These masses in apathy will suffer not to the Tree of Liberty because it would be giving to others instead of climbing the ladder of self. The select few are directed to Harvard and Yale without ever working a day in their lives – community center – leader of the Grey Pathers – corporate board – hand selected daddy owned proffessional sports company – before running for office.

      Take yesterday. A Harvard educated Obama says, or is advised to say by a Yale educated advisor, that the U.S. needs to be more like China and build airports, high speed trains etc. & etc. etc. as the means of salvation for the workers.

      I could not agree more that the U.S. must once again become a Creditor Nation like China. But, until the U.S. is a creditor, using debt to build only digs a deeper hole for the debtor. This is a simple example of High Education bigotry in the few who are selected to run for office from a pool of prospects from Harvard, or Yale, or – you name the other three.

      It is said that the average Chinese saves 30% of salary/wage. The intelligent one Bernanke makes absolutely sure that no Amerian saves, and that any American who has saved is punished.

      My concern is; by what means the U.S. becomes a creditor nation again. By Chinese means, or by American means ? Right now the average joe is loosing ground to a Chinese style totalitarian taking. Can YOU save 30% on Chinese wages ? Does Bernanke want YOU to save 30% ? The American means of being a Creditor Nation was destroyed by the likes of Bernanke’s clan of college professors some 97 years ago. We are closer to the Bush 41 “New Order”, than to any thought of being at Liberty again as a Creditor Nation. Bernanke, Obama, Buffet, and Soros all move with purpose and long suffering intent. Those masses you talk about Red, they think about a beer after work, and football starting this weekend.

  • Carol September 1, 2011, 3:40 pm

    JJ, I agree with you 100% that is why it is difficult for me to get up everyday (jk).

    Anyhow I would like to show you a minor error in your thinking.

    jj >> ” A body in motion will continue in motion unless acted upon by an outside force. ”

    No it is worst than that. The physical law says “A body in motion will continue in motion until it is acted upon by an equal and opposite force” Note the equal and opposite? How much opposite force (change) would we need to affect the present “motion”? Case closed!

    • John Jay September 1, 2011, 3:52 pm

      My mistake, thanks Carol.
      I knew I might be seen as too optimistic.
      As somone once said: “No matter how cynical I become, I can’t keep up!”

  • PhotoRadarScam September 1, 2011, 3:17 pm

    Europe will crash first, but it will drag down the US a few weeks later. When you see Europe go, you’ll have just a few days to get things in order here.

  • M J September 1, 2011, 1:55 pm

    something most definitely will change….World War. If you don’t believe me just look back at 20th century history and read “The Creature from Jeckyll Island”..its all there ….and it will be coming to us soon.

    • warren September 1, 2011, 3:30 pm

      I have read G. Edward Griffin’s book. The history is undeniable. However, I think world war is only one of several possible future scenarios. In fact I don’t think anything quite as organized as that will happen.
      Consider trying to feed an army when you’re broke and the country or countries you are fighting are also broke and without food.

    • warren September 1, 2011, 3:34 pm

      Hey let’s call it World Riot, but don’t put a number after it because it’ll probably never end.

  • A. Rand Fan September 1, 2011, 8:09 am

    John Jay,
    Your reference about Col. Kurtz reminded me of a Vince Flynn novel, Term Limits. Knock off a few of the most corrupt politicians and warn the others no one is out of reach. That also reminded me of Tom Clancy’s Debt of Honor. A 747 crashes into the Capitol wiping out just about everyone with the exception of the hero Jack Ryan.

    • mikeck September 1, 2011, 3:29 pm

      A. Rand Tan,

      Your handle and mention of Debt of Honor makes me think that you would really enjoy, The Iron Web if you have not read it yet.

      Good stuff JJ.

    • mikeck September 1, 2011, 3:30 pm

      A. Rand Fan,

      Your handle and mention of Debt of Honor makes me think that you would really enjoy, The Iron Web if you have not read it yet.

      Good stuff JJ.

    • John Jay September 1, 2011, 3:48 pm

      I would not be surprised if after the NSA servers spit out this article for review that someone orders a search of Army personnel records for Colonel Kurtz.
      Should not be difficult to find him right? I mean they already have his photograph and everything.

    • Jim N September 1, 2011, 7:40 pm

      Acutally the scenarios in Flynn’s novels is something i have been watching for as an indicator of a change here. Unlike the 60’s when we were marching on freeways to get out of Vietnam, there seems to be no real passion to instigate change from anyone, as we are all so comfortable and, in reality, love the status quo. When things start downhill (ie lose their jobs and their ability to feed their family ) for enough people, we may start seeing the dam start to burst. Anger, frustration with DC and Wall street will start to announce itself, just like in the novel. We will be entering into a new era….which i suspect could really turn ugly and into a war.

      Except for isolated cases, we haven’t seen anger manifested by this kind of payback, but i am so reminded that desperate people will do desperate things. When this starts happening, the elite won’t be able to control it anymore than they could control the middle east revolutions. It will start out …here and there….just like JJ’s reference to the bank robbery. Some will certainly just be thieves, but others will be people trying to survive. Then it will grow, because the frustration and anger..and finally a resolved action will grow.

      I am perplexed that we don’t see any kind of real movement outside the political realm for change. For the most part it was peaceful, nonviolent, but they got their point across. I wonder if the pent up anger and frustration will continue to grow and finally just burst …bypassing the demonstrations and going straight to revolution. But then we would have to put the IPAD’s down for a couple of minutes….

      So i continue scanning the media….

  • Benjamin September 1, 2011, 7:27 am

    The other day, I said something along the lines of: “No escape. Everyone through the wringer at least twice”. But I forgot to say: “as long as things stay the same”. Will they?

    Change is the nature of things. But how things go from the point where the end begins, depends on how the end begins. If things are done by “pen and order”, the future looks quite bright indeed. But if not a reasonable surrendur and transition, a new Dark Age, one of “chaos and sword” will start us on the exceedingly long way back to law and order. Which will it be?

    Going by how resistent people are (especially, those already giving up all hope), it’s looking a lot like option B. The problem is, people don’t know what “no choice” really is.

    Pure Good, that is, God and Heaven, have no choice but to be good and to exist as a Creator. Pure Evil hasn’t a choice but to do evil, to destroy. In between them, Man and the Earth… We quite simply cannot eternally exist in the abodes of Good and Evil, nor be anything like them. We exist because of them. We’re as one with them, though. Never will be, either.

    That is what people have forgotten or choose to ignore. They will all have to relearn. That is why pen and order seem so unlikely. All sorts of people, for all their differences, seem to want only one thing: For the self-fulfilling prophecy to take them to places where they quite simply do not belong.

    • Benjamin September 1, 2011, 7:29 am

      “We’re as one with them, though”

      Should read: “NOT as one with”.

  • Steve September 1, 2011, 5:49 am

    My guess is that unless one has enough space (see posts yesterday), or one lives in a very basic lifestlye area (nation), it is going to be very very bad. That means if one expects someone else to carry the load in any way, one is going to be in deep poop. There are very, very, very, very backward areas like the Navaho Nation that will do just fine, but; the majority, who do not even know how to dig a privy, or sterilze their clothes in the sun – deep deep poop mava.

    • Benjamin September 1, 2011, 8:00 am

      For the record, I live in the urban setting because it’s not the big, useless cesspool, as some make it out to be. Hell, I remember not too long ago that when the City of Chicago wasn’t doing anything about the potholes*, people pitched in and took care of their neighborhood streets themselves.

      *It’s called the rightful expectation of something being done, because government took money from you for that purpose; NOT welfarism, of making someone else carry a load!

      And it seems to me that entirely too many people forget why cities ever existed at all. Obviously, they exist to contain all the little homunculi (little demons) among us, so that they may better drain the entire planet dry! But less obviously…

      The individual “farms” (generic term; isolated country-folk) are tied together by their Village, where people go to trade their local production. But Villages in a region inevitably trade with each other, to introduce greater variety and abundance. Thus, The Town. And to facilitate trade between the towns, in order to provide the greatest availability for as many people as possible… The City.

      And not to put too fine a point on the subsidies that so many “farmers” receive, but… So many do receive subsidies. I also seem to recall that no small number among them welcomed the whole ethanol scam. And the Indians… Well, I won’t claim to have been to the majority of the reservations, but I never did come across one that didn’t have at least one casino. The houses didn’t seem to lack plumbing, either.

      So maybe, instead of looking at where we think we should go, we should focus on where we’re at and where we belong. Even if it means living in some “impossible ideal”, as I described above. Even if it means (gasp…NO!!!) having to make it so.

  • fallingman September 1, 2011, 5:49 am

    Thanks JJ for your comments. Always insightful.

  • mava September 1, 2011, 5:29 am

    I agree with JJ. Nothing will change. If it could, Rome, Egypt, Babylon, England etc., empires would still be with us. Something drives them all to an end, and we are no different.

    If it could, people would not age to the point that they become a wreck, but something guides the development to an end.

    I have my own ideas on what exactly drives empires and how, but in the end, I agree with JJ. Nothing significant would change to the better.

    I disagree that we need to hope others go first. In countries that don’t live off printing game points, the adjustment to reality won’t be so drastic. It will be most drastic here.

    Other countries are simply locked in predicament and are waiting for us to be gone, so that they can make changes required if any, without carrier groups descending on them in “liberation”.

    • John Jay September 1, 2011, 5:59 am

      mava,
      I think destroying a currency is the quickest way to incite a violent revolution. The French had their assignant before that country went nuts, Weimar Germany paved the way for Hitler. Both France and Germany were crippled by war debts before their revolutions. France went broke with the Seven Years War, and….the American Revolution foreign aid! I believe the deciding factor that brought down Chiang Kai-Shek was a worthless, inflated currency. Mario, do you have any insight into Chinese curency problems pre Mao? In any case war debts are a big part of our problem, and now Libya, Syria, Yemen, and Iran are waiting in the wings for us.

    • Benjamin September 1, 2011, 8:14 am

      “I disagree that we need to hope others go first. In countries that don’t live off printing game points, the adjustment to reality won’t be so drastic… Other countries are simply locked in predicament and are waiting for us to be gone, so that they can make changes required if any, without carrier groups descending on them in “liberation”. ”

      And this inkless country would be… where? WHO is just aching to get away because you think they should be?

      Fact is, among many others, the U.S. military exists and acts as it does today because places like Japan and Europe wanted to be socialist “proninves” in the post-war world. Take Germany, for example.

      It produces no oil of it’s own. The U.S., on the other hand, produces 20-25% of it’s own. Alleged to have such wonderful healthcare, but little in the way of their own military and defense. Who do you think the “petro-dollars” and “war on terror” are working for?

      Then, there’s “oh-so-smart!” countries, like France. But examine their nuclear power program. The thing was so unfeasible that they had to reopen their oil-burning power plants (and thus, probably, explaining their initial “spearhead” involvement in Libya).

      As for Japan, they have socialized healthcare and one of the most “tapped out” currencies in the world.

      And China… Well, look at it like this. If you were a tyrannt that had to keep 1.5 billion people “in line”, would YOU be eager to break away from the FRN? Nevermind what they say. What do they DO?

      They all own and run the United States. If they’re aching to get away, they lust and pain more for a new host.

  • SD1 September 1, 2011, 2:50 am

    Nothing will change? Really?

    “Change” is already upon us.

    Look around.

    • warren September 1, 2011, 3:01 pm

      Yes, but not for any good.
      “….and I saw a star that had fallen to earth from the sky, and he was given the key to the shaft of the bottomless pit.” Rev 9:1


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