Moody’s ‘Threat’ Sends Gold, Silver Reeling

Bullion prices seem likely to remain under pressure for the rest of the year now that Moody’s has trained its water hose on…Spain!  Yesterday, the ratings firm dithered its way into the headlines with a threat to downgrade Iberian debt.  Presumably, this was done at the behest of Geithner, Bernanke & Friends.  Regardless of who ordered the hit, it sufficed to touch off yet another headless-chicken scramble into the alleged “safety” of  the U.S. dollar. The timing of this conspiratorial boost to the buck suggests that the Plunge Protection Team is getting better at its job with each passing month. By our runes, the dollar was poised for a breakdown. Lo, just as the selloff begun on Monday was starting to snowball, the dollar whipped around and began a steep rally that was still in force at yesterday’s close.  If we’d stage-managed the turn ourselves using Hidden Pivots to time the announcement, we could not have picked a more opportune spot for Moody’s and its masters to spring a trap on dollar shorts.

A little help from Moody's may have turned back an attack on the dollar

Curiously, although the threat did its job, turning a weak dollar lethal to anyone betting against it — while of course knocking gold and silver futures for a loop — Spain’s borrowing costs remained largely unchanged. Spanish bond yields actually ended the day lower, suggesting, as the Wall Street Journal put it, that “investors may have become immune to such warnings.”  Do lenders know something that the rating service does not?  At the very least, it would appear that they had the jump on Moody’s, since yields on 12- and 18-month bills issued by Spain had risen a full percentage point since mid-November.

Dealing Off the Bottom

From a technical standpoint the Dollar Index, currently trading around 80.24, will become an odds-on bet to hit a minimum 82.23 by year’s end if it can blow past a “Hidden Pivot” resistance at 80.57 today or tomorrow.  But the target will become a virtual lock-up as far as we’re concerned if the Dollar Index closes above 80.57 for two consecutive days. That would equate to a rally of about 2.5%, and it would surely put some weight on gold and silver quotes. However, bullion investors should have become used to playing in a rigged game by now, especially when Europe’s problems are the distraction used to allow the likes of Moody’s to deal from the bottom of the deck. Such shenanigans may slow the rise of gold and silver for a short while, but if you look at where they were trading a year ago, or two years, or three years, or a decade, it becomes clear that market forces are prevailing over political muscle.  (To gain free access to Rick’s Picks precise daily forecasts for gold, silver and all other trading vehicles, click here.)

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  • mario cavolo December 17, 2010, 5:44 am

    Hi Gary, I greatly appreciate your sense of the issues at hand.

    On your comment “Cash will prevail. It always does in a deflation.”

    …this is why I think the Jim Chanos short is idiotic and narrowminded. He keeps talking about how China will crash essentially because too much of the reported GDP is in real estate/construction. (Every time I hear him say there are empty cities in China as if its a major leading indicator rather than a small and unusual aberration, I laugh harder and harder. Chinese who own apartments they are using as an asset store, not for living, and with no or small mortgage, will pass them on to their kids and don’t hang the quality of their life on whether the property value goes up or down. He just doesn’t get that nobody cares about what he thinks they should care about.)

    So then, while it is true that real estate/construction is a questionably big chunk of China’s GDP, it is not a singular reason that offsets the other side of the reality that people continue to give little weight – CASH.

    Any country such as China with trillions in cash and asset equity will crash? Which economies crash folks? Ones with trillions in cash or ones with trillions in debt? I don’t think its the ones with the cash. Is there no respect any more for those that have saved for the rainy day? The beauty of having cash cash cash and less debt load is that when the S#@%t does hit the fan, you’re still relatively OK and often, you’re the one left standing. That’s true on both a micro and macro scale. While in the case of the U.S., printing more cash into a globally expanding economy might not be such a bad idea in the end if that money somehow trickles down into the right crevices, but that’s one of many separate subjects for further treatment.

    Assuming cash has some continued reasonable but continually declining purchasing power as history has shown us so far, its easy to agree with your point that cash will win out in the end. Hell, Wall Street has become little more than a private club, though so few realize it. Speaking to whether the entire system will come crashing down as a whole where all assets/currencies plummet in value, economies collapse, disintegrate in a cyber financial nuclear explosion, or whatever, I can’t express an educated opinion on such unlikely but possible extremes.

    And one last point, it is more painful to be in cash when interest rates are low. People have not historically liquidated their holdings out of stock markets when interest rates are low, as is the case now. Show me a stock market crash with interest rates near zero. I remember this rule from the days of the Charles Given’s 80’s!! So, indeed if yields do somehow start to steadily creep up despite efforts to the contrary, oh boy watch out below, people will indeed start to run to their perception of the safer sweeter yields on cash, the USD will again strengthen, while then stocks and even gold and silver will plummet. Geez, its just too much to contemplate.

    Thanks for listening Gary!

    Cheers, Mario

  • larry December 17, 2010, 5:31 am

    WOW… this blog post hit a nerve (or two).
    It seems you have people thinking ALL over the place.

    I’ll point people to this:
    http://www.goo.gl/QNgju

    Which says… “history IS repeating itself”.
    Point Blank.

    You can call it whatever you want. Say whatever you want, but history can’t be stopped.

    Obama thinks he can.
    Certain other people think the US Dollar is fine.

    Human nature, just like a stock chart, is very predictable.

    maybe not the every day movement, but patterns DO exist and the “metal” pattern is showing a clear pattern.

    PS. i’m eager to see how the JPM deal is going to work itself out. Talk about the powers that be…. all I can think of, is the ending is going to be a big grand finale 🙂

  • Bradley December 17, 2010, 1:45 am

    From my perch, 99% of those claiming manipulation are those looking for a reason to explain away their bad trades, or to explain why things are moving in opposition to how they think they should, (as if things EVER move in the way we think they should, especially in the markets! What gall!).

    To my way of thinking, anyone who is critical of Bernanke, saying that he shouldn’t have the power to move markets because he can’t possibly understand something as big as our economy, and then in the next breath says that “things are not going the way they should”, ought to have their head examined.

    • redwilldanaher December 17, 2010, 3:23 am

      These comments are among some of the most ridiculous I’ve ever read. The manipulation mechanics have been documented. They’re monetizing debt near instantaneously and POMO’ing the market higher with it. Statistical analysis attests to the complete artificiality of it since “bottoming”. They’ve made it known that it is mainly PSYOPS and intended to “restore the financial system”. If you’re not joking about the BerNANK comment, then I’m left speechless….

      You have to be kidding with the BerNANK comment.

    • gary leibowitz December 17, 2010, 4:41 am

      The hysteria over a short trend change is amusing.
      I suppose had you been on the titanic you would be cursing the fact that the damn leaky tub wasn’t sinking at a faster pace.

      I’ll stick to my deflation scenario. I started this assumption over 7 years ago. Sure looks much better now. There is no amount of ridicule or prodding that could match what was said all that time ago.

      Cash will prevail. It always does in a deflation.

      I’ll bet most of those shouting me down where the ones 7 years ago explaining the definition of inflation to me. Afterall the Fed could easily prevent deflation by waving its wand and printing more money. It could also drop rates to entice lender and borrowers alike. No one would have thought they could actually fail.

      Any short term rise in bond yields is a golden opportunity to buy.

      I do believe I am posting on a dead topic. Oh well, time to move on.

    • Bay of Pigs December 17, 2010, 4:46 am

      Yeah, I’m speechless at the lack of awareness on this issue on such a great blog. RA is top notch in my book. That said, some posters here are in the Twilight Zone calling Goldbugs “conspiracy nuts”. Time to walke up folks. The party’s over. We will see gold and silver at new highs before too long. That doesn’t mean JPM (and others) won’t do everything they can to discourage you and take your money from you in the PM’s markets (especially futures trading). So buy physical, take delivery, and bring down a crooked bank. Peace friends, I mean no ill will. Just trying to help.

    • bozzy December 17, 2010, 1:01 pm

      Redwill – Nailed it. What you say. Likewise the Bay man – 100% and delivery is the key. But Gary: yes yes yes of course you can win theoretically with cash in a deflationary scenario because in theory everything is heading down in terms of monetary value. EXCEPT gols, silver, perhaps platinum, and a few other interesting commodities. If you find any fire sales of rare earth companies please let me know – I shall sleep in the queue to get some. Meanwhile, try asking your Japanese friends how they prospered with a pocket ful of Yen over the last 20 years.

  • Ledbedder December 17, 2010, 1:25 am

    Let the Plunge Protection Team get what they deserve in (what they don’t believe in) afterlife. Meanwhile, they damage us all while still on this earth.

    • redwilldanaher December 17, 2010, 3:58 am

      Thumbs up.

  • gary leibowitz December 16, 2010, 10:46 pm

    Manipulateion! You bet. Unfortunately it’s the other way around. Excerpt from an article I just read:

    “While the reports of JP Morgan reducing its silver short position on COMEX are fact that we have highlighted in this section for the last few months, we are told that they are doing this almost as a public relations exercise. J.P. Morgan’s position in silver would from now on be “materially smaller” than in the past, we are told.

    This is as a result of the furor around charges that they have been manipulating the silver price over a long period. This charge comes from Bart Chilton, a CFTC commissioner, who said in October that he believed there had been “fraudulent efforts” to “deviously control” the silver price. [He did not name any party.]
    “.

    So which is it? Manipulation on the long or short side?

    I suppose the manipulation is bringing false charges that it was manipulated (lol).

    • Bay of Pigs December 17, 2010, 2:07 am

      I just watched Bart Chilton on Bloomberg. He knows exactly what is going on, and that it (COMEX) is going to blow up without regulatory action (which the the CFTC and SEC have failed to do for many years). Will they be successful in putting position limits on the likes of JPM (in specific, the massive concentration of SHORTS they have)? I doubt it, but we can hope. Much like Mish and other deflationists, you are sadly mistaken as to what is going on in the silver market.

    • bozzy December 17, 2010, 2:11 am

      Gary, slow down. Think. Imagine your favourite place. Relax.

      If you gave clues as to: –

      1 what you are asking and

      2 where you got the quote

      We could wind you up into a paroxysm of cardiac failure problems which would amuse me (just for one) no end.

  • Steve December 16, 2010, 8:17 pm

    Mario, nothing will happen to cure the ill as long as excuses like “. . . not much at all we can do about it. . .” exists. If you believe change can work, and the intent of your life is that change can work, then change has a chance. Believing nothing will change, and doing absolutely nothing to change brings what we have today.

    • redwilldanaher December 16, 2010, 10:12 pm

      Amen. Deo Vindice. Amen.

    • mario cavolo December 17, 2010, 3:23 am

      Even I have to admit there’s too much misery and hopelessness in the plainness of that statement. I retract it officially. There is much beyond our control and it is frustrating and infuriating. However plenty we can impact to some degree even one single person or moment at a time…the rest by God’s grace…Cheers Steve, Mario

  • silicone_watch December 16, 2010, 7:11 pm

    These takedowns are becoming an absolute joke. Corruption galore- CME raises margins twice recently, Moody’s talks of downgrading Iberian debt. What next? Let the biggies fail and restart the system. There is a new monetary system approx every 40 years… cycle, nothing more. Let it collapse.

  • rockingham December 16, 2010, 6:21 pm

    I always watch the USD/€ numbers. It’s a dance that must be monitored and acted on. But everyone here knows that gold and silver have marched upward during the last ten years while the USD/€ dance is done within certain parameters. Gold and silver go higher and higher above those parameters. Gold doesn’t participate in that dance except in the short term. All currencies have lost ground to au & ag.

  • Richard December 16, 2010, 6:12 pm

    Mario:

    Ho-hum, just the death of the middle class in the USSA and the EU – no biggy, all is well’???? Long live fiat, obfiscation, manipulation, smoke & mirrors, magic accounting, etc., etc., etc……..I want on your cloud!

    Richard

    • mario cavolo December 16, 2010, 6:18 pm

      …absolutely a terrible situation for them Richard…don’t take other observations to mean I suggest it is any less unfortunate for those in the wrong place at the wrong time and who are victims, again, of the selfish actions of those in charge… it is very nasty for about 100 million middle class Americans (and others across the world throughout history) whose life as they know it has been pulled out from under them over the years…while we hope ourselves to spared and protected and insulated from the damage, we must not lose our compassion and caring and even righteous anger, but there’s just not much at all we can do about it….Cheers, Mario

  • Rich December 16, 2010, 5:42 pm

    Once again kudos to Rick for nailing gold.
    Maybe time to reread WEB’s Greenback Effect five months into the stock market recovery:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/opinion/19buffett.html

  • mario cavolo December 16, 2010, 2:43 pm

    Let’s ask a question or two:

    Where would we be if the U.S. leadership did not insanely inject the couple trillion USD into the markets in the way and manner they have? Was it in fact, all bad results-wise so far? By asking, please don’t think I’m condoning.

    Why is the USD currency so much worse than before even with that extra couple of trillion? I mean hell guys, the total float of USD worldwide is massive, so adding a couple of trillion more should be so horribly ruinous?

    The U.S. is or is not at $14 trillion of GDP while the nearest next 3 are at, ahem, just $4 trillion-ish, right? Do you think those countries should maybe be grateful that Bernanke did print rather than let the whole thing naturally decline to hell as so many suggest would have been a better option?

    Related to GDP estimates, let’s note that while I vehemently disagree with the Jim Chanos’ short China argument because it is far too narrowly argued, it is however true that a huge chunk of current China GDP is in construction/real estate, so even China’s supposed current GDP of $ 4 trillion could be called into question as being a bit overstated.

    We have the U.S., the world’s largest GDP economy still hovering around $14 trillion, 3 to 4 times larger than the next three economies and the currency of that economy is the world’s reserve currency. So how is it that there is some sort of candidate to replace the USD?

    I don’t see that realistically on the horizon. At best, gold currently represents a diversification of assets and hedge against instability/inflation, which is reasonable, but a call to go back to the former gold-linked currency is simply not going to happen so let’s not bother even bringing up the subject.

    I am suggesting that in dealing with reality, it is a global reality, and that the gradual historic devaluing of the USD is an integrated part of the global economic whole, despite whatever short-term market manipulations may come along from week to week.

    Finally, if the supposedly miserable U.S. economy, still popping along at a whopping $14 trillion wasn’t there as part of the whole system that supports the $4 trillion GDP economies of the next largest three, where would they be?

    What are we suggesting here guys?…that the U.S. economy is somehow going to deflate from $14 to, say $9 trillion USD or what? The economic indicators, corporate earnings, PMI #’s, etc., taken as a whole are numbers which strictly do not indicate that is going to happen. They simply do not indicate impending economic collapse of demand.

    I still say, 100 million U.S. middle class citizens are screwed, same for Europe. And debt is high and more inflation is coming and money will buy less and less. Good grief. That’s about it.

    So enjoy the good and if you are someone caught up in the nasty side of all these gyrations, that is indeed your misfortune. You simply join the ranks of billions of human beings before you through the centuries of humanity wrought with various forms of riches and suffering brought on by the selfish bastards in power.

    Cheers, Mario

    • Other Paul December 16, 2010, 7:01 pm

      Mario,
      Four thumbs up, two for each of your postings.

      It’s difficult to comment on reality, like you do so well, while others are taking your thoughts as support for the reality.

      The Fed, with Treasury’s approval, has always supported an expansion of the amount of dollars (physical, credit, or digital), and the resulting increases of prices and expansion of bankers’ and governments’ opportunities.

      QE and the other programs have worked to stabilize the prices of most assets. Seems to me that Treasury bonds will be sold and other assets, tangible and intangible, will be purchased, including the short end of the Treasury curve. Metals and other real assets will continue to benefit with brief pauses for profit-taking.

    • Robert December 16, 2010, 7:38 pm

      “Where would we be if the U.S. leadership did not insanely inject the couple trillion USD into the markets in the way and manner they have? ”

      I can tell you where I think we’d be:

      I think we’d be months long into a REAL economic recovery- just as Iceland is.

      Granted- we’d be minus a lot more Wall Street banks, and we might even be minus a Central Bank, but the REAL US economy would have a much more solid foundation beneath it, and US trade and commerce would not be under the stranglehold that it is currently being subjected to….

    • cave December 16, 2010, 7:46 pm

      Thanks for the rational insight.

      For people who can’t buy gold silver trapped with their 403b or 401K retirement account and who don’t want to lose in the stock market, do you think TIP is the better alternative?

    • Robert December 16, 2010, 8:07 pm

      “Finally, if the supposedly miserable U.S. economy, still popping along at a whopping $14 trillion wasn’t there as part of the whole system that supports the $4 trillion GDP economies of the next largest three, where would they be? ”

      The question is moot.

      The assumption that the US economic activity has risen over 2009 levels is factually and patently false- one only has to visit a major shipyard and talk to the Longshoremen about many containers they are processing- whether in or out.

      Then, go to the Chamber of Commerce Records Office of any city in America and look at the number of failed business filings- they are still on an upward trend, while new business license filings are flat to 2008 levels.

      Mario: “What are we suggesting here guys?…that the U.S. economy is somehow going to deflate from $14 to, say $9 trillion USD or what?”

      Nope- because GDP means nothing- US economic activity could slow to a single FOREX transaction per year, and yet if that transaction was a 75 Trillion dollar deal made by the Federal Reserve with some other central bank, then our declared GDP would still demonstrate a rise of 5x current levels…

      The Printing Press guarantees a rising nominal GDP, and it seemingly guarantees growth in FINANCIAL activity, but it does not guarantee real growth in ECONOMIC (trade driven) activity.

      Reality is NOT what the government data suggests it is. Reality is what John Williams and Shadowstats suggests it is.

      Please please please, do NOT take my word on any of this- Go do the research yourself. Visit your town’s Chamber of Commerce and compare current activity to 2008- you will find that things are not as rosy as WashingtonDC and the MSM say they are.

      The facts are right in front of your face. Towns and cities all over America are dying. This does happen in healthy economies.

    • Steve December 16, 2010, 8:13 pm

      Figures don’t lie, but; Liars figure. Accounting standards are a standard for lying. Information released just two weeks ago indicate that over 13T was dumped into the meltdown – now who lied about that?

    • redwilldanaher December 16, 2010, 9:49 pm

      Hi Mario, I’m with Robert and Steve. I realize that you’re not “condoning” but quite honestly, I believe that you’re “mirror-imaging” things a little with respect to your perch from which you’re viewing the USSA. Bogus government statistics and propaganda from the MSM do not change the fact that the USSA isn’t really recovering. As I and so many others have noted, I can deceive people greatly if I’m able to run up a multi-trillion, well I guess, limitless tab in the name of gentrification all the while sending the bills to the American sucker and his unfortunate descendants. If you want to be happy because the FED is engaged in more unconstitutional/illegal activity on a scale never before seen (including putting American’s on the hook for European tabs) and has been handing free money to the criminal enterprises that helped to bring about the latest “crisis that shouldn’t go to waste, have at it my friend. As for enjoying our time in proletariat land, I’d hope that most Americans start to not enjoy it at all. I think humanity should aspire to a little more than being treated as chattel for psychopaths to toy with.

    • mario cavolo December 17, 2010, 2:54 am

      …Hi Guys, there are several very insightful points that help me understand the many sides of these issues and to drill down on them with more clarity. Robert, when you made the clarification that its “financial” activity rather than “economic” activity fudging GDP, I had quite the bell go off in my head. Measuring business revenue levels at the municipal level such as Chambers of Commerce shows us what’s really going on, and again, for these lower and middle class sectors its FUBAR.

      As I wrote this particular piece, it was from a “humanity/reality pov rather than pure economic/stats. In fact some MIT genius could probably build a decent economic model showing us what would happen to the various sectors of the economies under different circumstances, such as if QE was or wasn’t executed, or if the money would somehow be allocated differently. On this board, many of us speculate but we don’t have the processing power to really know what the impact of alternative actions would be and that’s frustrating.

      All of your comments brought another reality under the light with even more glare…that they simply bailed themselves out and foisted a wealth transfer scheme that worked and continues to work. A small slice of the economy has benefited from the various bailout provisions and other stimulus and QE that goes on, rather than their having made a set of choices considering what’s best for the country, not just the bankers. (this is beating an old hat even as it still goes on…we all know this, we know what they’ve willfully and selfishly done.)

      So then Robert, I am pushed to look directly at true total economic revenue and output here, we need to get a clear and balanced picture of what’s really going on. On a micro level, I can use the example of my family’s Peter Piper pizza restaurant in Scottsdale, Arizona. Sales are essentially flat over these 2-3 years. And I’d say that’s a fair synopsis of the retail/consumer/restaurant sector. Some are doing well, some are not.

      So many layers, its dizzying…thanks very much guys, Mario

    • Mark Uzick December 17, 2010, 12:09 pm

      Robert:

      I love your insightful and succinct first reply to Mario about what would have and should have happened in a more civilized and just country; like the one that America was meant to be.

      Your second reply: concerning this phony, inflated Potemkin Village of a recovery also brought some fresh air to the debate.

  • farang December 16, 2010, 11:53 am

    Well, that settles it: I am dumping all my gold and silver and holding paper hot off Uncle Ben’s press.

    Is this article a joke?

  • Benjamin December 16, 2010, 6:39 am

    Yes, we all knew Spain was in trouble, but why should the U.S. be able to plea bargain in exchange for pointing a bony finger at Spain and crying ‘witch!’?

    Techicals, as some point out? Gimme a break… The only difference between us and them is that, if anything, their swiss cheese boat is sinking in the middle of the ocean and ours is stuck on a sand bar.

    Nope. Juuust doesn’t cut it…

  • Grass Ranger December 16, 2010, 4:42 am

    If Chinese gold buying continues to ramp up in the new year the way it has in this one, the step back from the 1400s will indeed be a short one. Jim Sinclair’s number may not arrive exactly on his predicted date, but it will not be long delayed.

    • Rick Ackerman December 16, 2010, 7:18 am

      I agree that sovereign buying of gold will eventually overwhelm any “strength” in the dollar. But I still expect gold to finish the year under pressure from Geithner and Bernanke’s cynically calculated (yes, Gary) exploitation of Europe’s problems. The irony is that, from a balance-sheet perspective, the U.S. is just Greece writ large.

  • Jeff Kahn December 16, 2010, 4:03 am

    A) Long rates have been going up equally in Europe and Japan. At some point the markets will realize this is not because a global recovery it taking hold but rather because sovereign debt is out of control. B) Everyone and their uncle is calling for gold to fall here. Gold rarely does what everyone expects.

  • PhotoRadarScam December 16, 2010, 1:58 am

    I am not convinced. The USD and GC/SI have gone up despite dollar strength for a good part of the year, why would this be any different? In fact, the way GC and SI have held up despite dollar strength in the past few weeks is a testament to this. I believe this is a result of foreign buying pushing gold up faster than any decrease due to dollar strength.

    And as others have pointed out, there are no surprises with EU country weakness… I believe it’s already priced in.

    As you said, it remains to be seen if the USD can overcome the HP resistance… my bet it that it won’t, and even if it does, the effect on metals should be muted.

  • gary leibowitz December 16, 2010, 1:10 am

    Yet another conspiracy? No, the technicals looked rather good for the dollar, especially when there are signs of a “possible/hopefull” economic stabilization here in the U.S. Also makes sense that bond yields are rising in anticipation of a stronger economic activity, ergo inflation.

    Spain is in deep trouble. We all knew this for many months. “The rain in spain falls mainly on the EU”.

    I still see bond yields running higher but unlike most I see it as a one last opportunity to lock in good yields.

    I am a die-hard deflationist and believe that the debt saturation over these past 50 years is going to dwarf any attemtp at inflating our way out.

    I actually see the dollar holding up fairly well even in the midst of another crisis.

    If we have any Hindenburg Omen fans out there we just hit number one. Need at least another one to be valid. Granted it doesn’t mean we fall hard soon, but there has never been a crash without one.

    • Bay of Pigs December 16, 2010, 6:31 am

      “No, the technicals looked rather good for the dollar”

      LMAO. Only shows how completely ridiculous the situation is. This is total manipulation to boost the dollar and trash gold and if you can’t see that, you’re blind.

    • bozzy December 16, 2010, 2:27 pm

      Gary – I think you are saying that the Spain-drenching by Moody’s, the rise in the dollar and the pressure on Gold and Silver are all unrelated and certainly not the result of premeditated actions by the Bernank’s team. Thanks to you for that enlightenment. Now please recommence with the medication and ponder why if we all knew about Spain for ages there has been any effect as a result of the Moody’s pronouncement, or indeed why Moodys
      felt moved to make such a pronouncement at all.

      The incompetence of ratings agencies should be a subject for seasonal amusement for those who had a pulse in October 2008, were it not for their insouciance and resurgent importance in the minds of the hordes. Moreover, the actions of the concert parties to whom has been delegated the rigging of our markets are a matter of public record, not a conspiracy theory – unless you class all who carry that information as misguided conspiracy theorists.

      Now, if I really wanted to think about conspiracies I might just wonder if the timing of the JPM “blanchissement” in the silver market follwed immediately by news, Moody’s and dollar action returning the focus once again to Europe were pehaps connected in some way. Moodys does after all have a few journalistic sibling enterprises. Anyway a Bank you have fattened to the size of the JP Morgue should be able to fund an exploding short position several times the size of the next decade’s silver production with no difficulty at all – given that that they effectively own the margin setters, and a red phone into the Bernank office. But then again, perhaps the pain was too great, and the numbers increasingly unsupportable.

      Amazing how the phrase “SHORT SQUEEZE!” fell off the front pages the minute the interest was shifted back to Europe.

      Take care,

      bozzy

    • Bay of Pigs December 16, 2010, 7:49 pm

      Bozzy,
      Nice post. Dead on…I hope others will take note of what’s going on in the silver pit. It sure as hell isn’t a “conspiracy”.

      “Once the toothpaste is out of the tube, it’s hard to get it back in”

      H.R. “Bob” Haldeman

    • gary leibowitz December 16, 2010, 7:53 pm

      Whenever the market goes against you it must be some conspiracy. Had it gone with you it must be as a result of natural forces.

      Moody’s has a responsibility, as does banks, to act accordingly. The era of deals/partnerships and greed are over.

      Spain being downgraded was expected, wasn’t it?

      The FACT that the EU is being swamped with governments being forced to restructure is the reason why the U.S. dollar is doing better. We got hit first and they are now catching up. The dollar has no intrinsic value. It must be valued against other currencies.

      Why are banks not lending with the same abandon as before?

      I heard these conspiracy theories before and as time goes by it is proven false simply becuase the long term results hold up. There isn’t a person or government that can manipulate for the long term. Sorros made billions on that assumption when currencies were government manipulated.

      Moddy’s is actually being responsible? yes it has happened.

      Can gold be manipulatd? Short term maybe.

      If you think the dollar, gold, equities are all being manipulated then bet against the trend.

      I have had these types of argument before. Years ago I was told it was impossible to ever see deflationary forces again. The Fed can MANIPULATE the markets by micro managing rates and money supply. Well, how did that turn out?

    • gary leibowitz December 16, 2010, 8:07 pm

      One other point.

      Gold has gone on a skyrocket ride for the past year. The dollar has been devalued over years against most currencies.

      Now that the trend has reversed ever so slightly against the macro moves you call foul. I guess the moves haven’t been steep enough for you.

      Imagine every counter-move being questioned since there is no straight line.

      Will the dollar and gold continue on there strong trends? I personally don’t see it if the world falls into a deflation spiral. If inflation takes hold, domestically, then I would agree. The forces are battling it out. We should see the winner in 2011.

    • Bay of Pigs December 16, 2010, 11:42 pm

      No offense Gary but I quit reading after this,

      “Moody’s has a responsibility, as does banks, to act accordingly”…

      “Responsibility” in regard to Moody’s, JPM, Goldman, Fed, etc…? Sorry, but your argument is an epic FAIL after that. And I’m not crying foul, but you obviously don’t know what’s going on in the PM’s market by the sounds of it. I suggest you find out before speaking out on a silver thread. My point is that this isn’t a conspiracy. It’s in the wide open now.

    • bozzy December 17, 2010, 2:05 am

      Gary: you make no sense. Answer the points as made otherwise you lose impact. Just a tip for the future.

    • joe December 19, 2010, 9:24 am

      The era of deals/partnerships and greed are over.

      Gary, that is funny!