A ‘Fly on the Wall’ Is Bullish on China

We put the knock on China the other day – not for the first time — in a commentary concerning Google’s security problems there. This elicited a fascinating response from reader Mario Cavolo, a frequent contributor to the Rick’s Picks forum who lives and works in Shanghai as a motivational speaker. We asked him to expand his remarks, which cast China in a very bullish light.  Here’s what Mario had to say:

Stop listening to the bubble doomsayers and pay attention to the realities of why China’s expansion will continue for many years. My observations as a fly on the wall are a collective reflection of what I and other foreign businesspeople living here for five to ten years have experienced.

The Mother of All Expansions

** China’s expansion right now is the same as the U.S. postwar expansion. It should be easy to recognize the parallels:  inflation of consumer prices, real estate, the cost of doing business, continued asset inflation with rising stock markets are all hallmarks of a country’s economic and societal emergence.

 

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** China’s expansion is fired by huge supplies of a fuel called cash We know about the trillions in the government sector. This is an amount well in excess of any projected debt levels in Beijing’s budget. The South China Morning Post’s Tom Holland looked more closely at debt levels and potential bad loans that could boost total debt to a worst-case 55% of GDP, about the same as Britain. However, one must remember that the economy and tax revenues are growing solidly — plus Beijing has no shortage of assets to set against its liabilities.  So even with the concern over the GDP/government debt ratio, they have the cash – a crucial difference that make China like a corporation with $1 billion in debt but $2 billion in cash.

** China is embracing American capitalism, and consumer spending is on the rise. Internally,  the country’s expansion is in an American-style boom stage. While America is at the other end of the cycle, it has just begun here and promises to continue for many years.

** Big business here — banks, insurance, energy, and more – got its start as a big bureaucracy. While Americans are concerned about their government getting into banking and other businesses, in China that’s how it already is, but the trend is going the other way, toward privatization through stock and bond offerings. Regarding the banks’ level of services to account holders, my online account with ICBC is amazing: we are able to trade stock funds, gold funds and physical gold, plus most major international forex pairs in online savings accounts round-the-clock.

New Subways  Everywhere

** The expansion of infrastructure recalls America in the postwar years.  There is massive expansion of subways and high-speed rails. I’m talking half-a-dozen new subway lines being added in each city, not just one or two, and high-speed rails that will connect all major cities at 300+ kph.  They won’t need as much oil for airplanes when high-speed train travel is a widespread option. It is easy to identify these projects by typing in the keywords online. Numerous high-speed lines have opened this past year with the major Beijing-Shanghai line covering 1,300 kilometers in five hours instead of the current 14 hours. Read about it and envy them.

** Road construction to accommodate an automobile boom has also been spectacular, much like the construction of the U.S. Interstate Highway System.

** Foreign direct investment continues to point toward Asia, with China leading the way. The crisis in the first half of 2009 short-circuited the global economy, but investment has returned almost to previous levels, with FDI continuing to favor China. This, in spite of a European Commission annual report noting that it has become more difficult for foreign firms to enter the Chinese market.

Real Estate Bubbles ‘Limited’

** Rising real estate prices is a phenomenon of the time, no different than that experienced during similar cycles in the U.S. and Europe.  However exorbitant bubble-price problems exist only in limited areas, with more reasonable price increases occurring in second- and third-tier cities that have a well-developed middle class.  For example, in Shenyang, Liaoning province, apartment prices are now averaging USD $70-$120 per square foot. Does that sound like a bubble?

** A rising stock market. Admittedly, market prices are peaky — but again, we need to remember that this is a market not fueled by debt, but by government and private-sector cash in an unprecedented regional expansion where power is constantly shifting.

** Debt levels far lower than in the West. Starting with a decade of 36% savings rates, we can begin to grasp the amount of cash in the private sector — similar to Japan, even amongst the lower and middle classes in China. Relatively speaking, the cost of living has been three to five times lower than in the U.S. or Europe, including the cost of real estate.  That is why until now there has been very little mortgage and credit card debt amongst the citizenry. With the current real estate boom pushing prices toward Western levels, mortgaged properties still comprise far less than half of purchased properties, and those properties that are mortgaged require a 30% down payment.  In addition, bank credit card marketing is literally a new industry, with banks only starting to encourage “plastic” during the past two years.

Real Jobs

Pay close attention to this comparison of low-level jobs in China and the U.S. It paints a realistic picture of typical employment for low-to middle-income workers/managers working for a Chinese companies (multinationals pay much higher salaries):

** Low salaries, akin to the U.S. minimum wage. For example, a restaurant or hotel department manager may earn a monthly salary in the range of USD $300 to $700, plus a year-end bonus equal to two or three months’ pay.

But now add in these free, comprehensive employee benefits:

** Bus transportation: You are picked up and dropped off as needed for your shifts.

** Arrive at work and eat breakfast! Three meals a day in the onsite cafeteria where workers and management team eat together.

** Housing: Dormitory rooms are shared by two to six workers, depending on their level of employment, and private apartments for managers. This may be a locally leased, 3-4 bedroom private apartment, or a large dormitory facility housing hundreds of workers campus-style at the work site.

$100 for an MRI Scan

** Full medical coverage:  We note that medical expenses in China are dirt-cheap even without insurance. For example, a normal visit to the hospital costs $2 for a doctor visit, $5 for Zithromax, $10 for X-rays, $10 for various blood tests, $50 for a CT scan and $100 for an MRI. Foreign friends I know have had very satisfactory hernia operations for no more than USD $1500,  all inclusive.

** Paid national holidays three times per year: Chinese Labor Day in May, Moon Festival / Independence Day in October, and Chinese New Year on the lunar calendar sometime in January or February.

** Paid overtime/triple time: by Chinese law, if you work on an official holiday, you receive three additional paid holidays or triple-time pay.

** Maternity leave: By law, when a woman gets pregnant in China, she has several weeks’ maternity leave and a job to come back to.

Chinese employment is certainly not perfect, but it is secure and stable. Compare it to a job at Wal-Mart, where an American makes minimum wage, but pays taxes and his or her own rent, transportation costs and meals. The Wal-Mart worker is in much worse shape than a typical Chinese making $500 per month who banks 50% of his paycheck because his living expenses are so low.

** Public transit: Typically, there are half-a-dozen subways and ten buses at each bus stop throughout the city. In addition, there are tens of thousands of scooters and bicycles along the roads. Bottom line, a typical Chinese does not need a car to get a job.

** Energy: China has made a heavy commitment to green energy  including massive wind farms, solar, natural gas, LPG, and 50 new nuclear plants. The Shanghai taxi company runs its fleet of 50,000 Volkswagens on LPG!  Did anyone outside of China know that? For more details on wind, solar and nuclear, read on.

Commitment to Solar Power

First, China’s commitment to solar energy is massive. Here’s a relevant excerpt from a recent New York Times column by Thomas Friedman: “Bill Gross, who runs eSolar, a promising California solar-thermal start-up…announced ‘the biggest solar-thermal deal ever. It’s a 2 gigawatt, $5 billion deal to build plants in China using our California-based technology. China is being even more aggressive than the U.S. We applied for a [U.S. Department of Energy] loan for a 92 megawatt project in New Mexico, and in less time than it took them to do stage one of the application review, China signs, approves, and is ready to begin construction this year on a 20 times bigger project!”

Second, the situation is much the same regarding China’s commitment to wind power. Blessed with strong desert winds in Gansu Province, they are building numerous mega-sized wind farms totaling 20 megawatts of output by 2020, and at a third of the costs in the West. According to the Global Wind Energy Council, China has doubled its wind power capacity every year for the past five.

Third, China is going nuclear. Locally, here in tropical Sanya, Hainan Island, I recently met a German who was a project manager in China’s nuclear sector. He told me they were working on the planning project to build 21 more nuclear power plants in the coming decade. The recent article by Friedman states China plans to build more than 50 nuclear power plants by 2020.

Internal Spending

Discretionary consumer spending is on a major upswing. For example, the automobile boom is vanity-driven. But autos are not needed as they are for a job back in the U.S. They are just the newest, greatest, modern addition to the nouveau life they have discovered here, along with iPhones, LCD TV’s and other consumer gizmos. A population of 200,000,000 + Chinese are new members of the middle class, enhancing their lives with American-style vanities of the 1980’s. Remember, they still have almost no credit card debt or mortgages.

Main Street Business

** Indicator: My AmCham Shanghai jobmail messages are loaded with position offers again.

** Indicator: My corporate-trainer friend says his budget has recovered in the last four months.

Stop wondering how things are in China, because you are receiving this information from a “fly on the wall.” Let the above picture of Chinese reality sink in. Spread the word, and plan accordingly. It is going to be a rough ride, but China is doing fine internally — or, I should say, fine enough.

I am putting together a mid-March summit on “The New Reality, 2010” in Los Angeles, so stay tuned for details, including a call for investment-related speakers. Click here and you can listen to my radio show, “Grassroots Talks Money with Mario,” every Monday at  8 p.m. EST (that’s noon, Beijing time).

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  • mario cavolo January 23, 2010, 7:15 am

    Hi Kicker, yes thanks for pointing up a need to clarify this on real estate and income issues.

    1. The lower income strata is surely left behind, same as in U.S., minimum wage folks definitely can’t afford to buy a home.

    2. Specifically, the extreme bubble price range of $300 to $750 USD psqft is limited to the 1st tier cities of Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Beijing basins, plus a few others.

    3. Such as my sample case Shenyang – $70-$120 USD is the pricing for very nice, new apartment complexes, mid to luxury level. Eg., Riverside Landmark on the new golf course on the river is luxury level (marble covers everything, etc) with asking prices at $133 psqft. Mid level quality Pan China Apts with the Walmart downstairs, half a km from the Olympic stadium, has asking prices at $80 psqft. Remember though this is for the “bare shell” You still have to decorate the entire interior. Cost an additional $15 to $50 psqft depending on the quality level you choose.

    4. Kohn Pederson Fox, designers of the new Mandarin Oriental at City Center Las Vegas has designed a similar multi-use City Center under construction in Shenyang now. Serviced apts here will be surely be at least this much.

    5. Older, normal, local walk up apartments in 2nd tier cities have gone up in price from $15 psqft to the $30-$45 psqft range.

    6. Rents in the older local apts are $140-$200/month. For the newer, luxury apts mentioned rents are $250 to $450/month.

    CC…I thought it was just nice to have better employee benefits.

    Cheers, Mario

  • dan January 23, 2010, 2:59 am

    china….allows its citizens access to their “fruits of their labor”

    USA….. corrupt government ,and business practices controlled by PTB that allows its citizens “fruits of their labor” while debasing the dollar.and placing more and more government restritions in the way of a “free market”.
    to pick a winner in the long haul is easy….Communist China
    a very sad commentary indeed.

  • Kicker January 23, 2010, 1:57 am

    ** Low salaries, akin to the U.S. minimum wage. For example, a restaurant or hotel department manager may earn a monthly salary in the range of USD $300 to $700, plus a year-end bonus equal to two or three months’ pay.

    **For example, in Shenyang, Liaoning province, apartment prices are now averaging USD $70-$120 per square foot. Does that sound like a bubble?

    How can you reconcile those two statements? Are these luxury apartments?

    Googling a little I see a 1399 square foot apartment rents in that city for $234 a month. At $70 a square foot that would be a price-to-rent ratio of 34?

    Must be different there.

  • tgreg January 22, 2010, 10:55 pm

    Mario is quite plausible.

    One point tho: We learned our rule of law and our regulations the old fashioned way: by mistakes that needed fixing (laws and regulations). China is burgeoning ahead without many of those rules, so the corruption and mistakes are likely to be massive. For example: the failure of a nuclear power plant, like Chernoble, in Russia. It happened in an monopoly economy with few regards for ecology regulations. The Chinese building collapse in the earthquake, etc.

    Another mistake: hi speed rail is an ecological disaster that wouldn’t be tolerated anywhere that has invironmental regulations, (but maybe ok in at desert on the outskirts of Las Vegas). The trains are screaming nightmares and take 3 times longer than a quiet airplane.

  • ricecake January 22, 2010, 7:20 pm

    Real Estate Bubble:

    1) Yes, there are Real Estate bubble here and there. But different is Chinese government is doign something about it unlike the US government.

    2) There is great urbanization going on in China and they have the 1.3 population. Their housing development is falling behind the increase of their population because from 1940 – late 1980s population increase many folds while their house none. They still have long way to go.

    3)Unlike the Americans who’s wages are decrease if not no increasing (And many are jobless.) The Chinese wages increasing each year. For example, in 1987, 80Yuan, now it’s 1,800 Yuan.

    4) While unemployment rate in the US is double digits, China is facing server labor shortage. Many factories can’t find workers. In Pearl Delta the famed The World’s factory Floor in Guangdong, factories have to shut down their production line cuz can’t find enough workers. A factory needs 4000 worker, can only find 1000. A factory need 1000, can find no one come to interview. Many migrants workers can easily find work near home and the pay is not much different. Others say that they are in the position to pick work with better pay in their leisure.

    Why the change is so dramatic in compare with the period of Mar 2009? Why labor shortage? In the past there was only one world factory floor the Pearl Delta triangle. Now there 4 industrial bases: The pearl Delta, the Zhangjing Delta, the Shangdong Liaoling region, and the Zhongqing region. China is adjusting the balancing export and domestic consumption. Beside, there many many local urbanization is developing.

    p.s. Most of my families extend families and friends living in China. Their lives today is no comparison from that in 20 years ago, 10 years ago. Just getting better and better. Don’t know who are more convincing than them.

  • CC January 22, 2010, 6:43 pm

    Hmmm…

    Astute readers of this blog:

    I’m amazed at no comments from the paragraph titled: ‘Real jobs’ through ‘$100 for an MRI scan’.

    Did you catch that? Does that ring a bell with anybody? If not, then you are either sorely lacking even a rudimentary understanding of the foundations of our Republic (“For which it Stands”), or you don’t give a rats ass about the differences between Collectivism and Individualism.

    Certainly on many fronts, America has strayed far from its Supremacy-of-the-Individual roots since its founding, but even still, we are miles ahead of China in terms of individual freedom. Of course they have ‘free’ transportation, ‘health care’ (MRI scans), and such. What would you expect from a Communist/Collectivist country?

    Perhaps this was some kind of sick ‘plug’ for Socialized ‘health-care’ here in the U.S. by the author? I don’t know…

    And that is the part that rubs me rash the most. People – even those who purport to ‘live’ in China, are blinded by the ‘capitalism’ taking place there and they are misreading this ‘capitalism’ as FREEDOM.

    It Ain’t.

    Want proof?

    Just look at the story running from Monday forward, about the young lad on trial for ‘murdering’ a KGB agent (sorry, I don’t know what they call Communist street Bosses in China – please advise if you know the agency acronym…), for Terrorizing, extorting, humiliating and basically just doing what Marxist, Communist Thugs DO.

    2nd only to our form of government as prescribed by our original founding documents, is Communism in its genius. The genius of the Deviant nature of men to CONTROL their fellow man, by FORCE. If anybody thinks the Communist Thugs that have ruled that cursed hell-hole of human rights violation and oppression are about to ‘soften’ or ‘warm-up’ to what ‘Capitalism’ really is in its true form – which is Freedom, you are sorely mistaken.

    Communists are supreme opportunists. They will ‘use’ capitalism as long as it benefits their power structure.

    I have another ‘surprise’ for you: If you’ve noticed, under the radar, there are some rather unfriendly exchanges going on between the U.S. and China regarding trade. And as the U.S. economy continues to worsen, while the Chinese economy continues to strengthen – i.e., its Grip over America by way of savings and production, vs. the burned out hulk of profligate spending and ‘offshoring’, these unfriendly trade ‘disagreements’ are going to morph into what they always have throughout history:

    WAR.

    And I’ll be the first one to send a $100 check to a betting pool set up by Rick, that says I’m right within (5) years.

  • mario cavolo January 22, 2010, 6:32 pm

    Thank you once again to Rick for featuring my set of thoughts as a feature article. The diversity of comments in response help us all even more. It is good and important to clearly understand and know what the actual socio-economic status of China really is, as opposed to guessing or media or political rhetoric. That is my intent, including to help everyone understand so that we know how to position ourselves to benefit and profit and consider the future for many generations.

    Daman, many thanks. Your list of additional thoughts do an excellent job of completing the “real” picture of China. With the real estate and stock bubble supported by gov’t liquidity, the gap between rich and poor has widened substantially too, as in the U.S. However, the opposite of the U.S. currently, the middle class is rising and forming here, not being destroyed; Corruption is improving but still rampant, dressed up as payouts and shared revenue, as we define it; is so “normal” here how can we explain it is not even regarded as corrupt, eg., Store manager orders inventory, get’s kickback from supplier, so what? As long as the COGS numbers are in line, the boss doesn’t know or care. This is the accepted, normal, pervasive way here to distribute revenue. So hard for a westerner to grasp that normal here is so not normal there.

    Coolsaint, huge point you’ve added about insurance industry related costs which are much lower here; there are so many systemic insurance expenses in the U.S. that don’t exist here; the hell of tort law with outrageous payouts and premiums have brought the country to it’s knees; as you stated correctly, that issue doesn’t exist here. Insurance premiums and liability payout levels/awards/punitive damages are much, much lower.

    With all thoughts on the table, I as many have fear of the variety of nasty outcomes and wish us all the very best.

    Cheers, Mario

  • coolsaint January 22, 2010, 4:15 pm

    You negatively compare workers in China versus Walmart , but do businesses in China have to deal with Insurance of all kinds to defend against lawsuits of all kind .I BET NOT!!!!!!

  • Chris January 22, 2010, 3:29 pm

    We (expats) said the same things about seasia in ’97…

  • watcher7 January 22, 2010, 9:13 am

    I am not convinced by the argument.

    China’s expansion is at the wrong end of the hegemonic cycle, for one.

    I am still sticking to my view that in the aftermath of the bursting of the Global Government Bailout Bubble, China will descend into anarchy and civil war resulting in Balkanisation.

    The fall of the monarchy in the earlier part of the 20th century is a ‘rhyme’ for the collapse of the communist party in the early part of the 21st century.

    China’s world fair of 1910 preceded the earlier fall; will the 2010 World Expo in Shanghai precede the future fall?

  • hamer January 22, 2010, 6:49 am

    WELL SAID MARIO !
    It is time somebody gave some real on the ground perspective to what is happening here.
    Some additional comments :
    1) If you have ever owned a property in China and had a bank loan on that property, and at some future time wish to purchase a new property, having sold the first one or not, you will need to put 50% deposit (in cash). Not many foreclosures here.

    2) The so-called ‘bubble’ in property here is mostly people with money who for various reasons do not wish to deposit it into a bank and so pay cash for the property then hold it , much like an investment in bonds or shares, no forced sales here.

    3) Most cars that are purchased here are paid with cash. Leasing is virtually non-existent, not many repossessions here.

    People here are mostly very fiscally prudent.

    I have lived here for the past 8 years, first in Shanghai and now in a small place about 350 km from Shanghai (on an island) A journey to Shanghai that used to take me 6 hours now takes me just over 3 , driving on some of the best roads you can imagine and using two major bridges that cross 35km and 24 km of ocean respectively.

    At a recent launch of a new apartment complex here a friend who works for the developer commented that ‘old ladies were purchasing RMB 3.0 million(US$440,000) apartments with bags of cash, like buying vegetables at the market’ Will the market go down, maybe, will they sell, or have to sell, no!

    My area is a small place, relatively speaking, but the standard of living is improving rapidly and the lower income groups are becoming more affluent and purchasing more and better items which is a major factor in the increasing consumer spending in China. I agree that there will be hiccups on the way, but when many people want and strive for the same thing, that is the direction the country will take.

  • Daman Prakash January 22, 2010, 3:12 am

    There are other topics which have not been put forward to viewers: These are true of China and equally applicable to India and other smaller developing Asian countries:

    1. Countryside: Large population is still fighting for daily needs and hardly have anything to cheer about. What is being talked about Shanghai doesn’t hold true for large part of “poor” China.

    2. Corruption: Worst form prevails. If you don’t give, nothing is given to you.

    3. Copy Rights: IPR is violated to hilt. Every world product is copied and marketed. No ethics whatsoever nor can be questioned.

    4. Civil Liberties: What does it mean?

    Here is what I mean..

    According to Li Peilin, China should paid more attention to some special national conditions that are different from the development experiences of other countries and regions.

    Aggravating social contradictions due to loss of farmland

    In the process of fast industrialization and urbanization, the loss of farmland has brought a serious problem to the society. Some 40 million farmers have lost their land in the country.

    Income gap further widened

    According to the sample survey on 50,000 urban residents across the country in 2004, the per capita disposable income was 13,332 yuan for the highest 10 per cent income group, or a 2.8 times higher than national average level while that in the lowest 10 per cent income group was 1,397 yuan, only equivalent to 29 per cent of the national average level. The income proportion between these two groups stood at 9.5:1, or relatively higher than 9.1:1 in 2003. The income gaps between regions, trades and industries also were on the increase.

    There is a long-term difficulty in employment

    From the view of labor demand and supply, some 24 million urban people need to work. They include the newly increased laborers and the laid-off workers, and there are only 9 million new job opportunities. Therefore, the contradiction of supply over demand in labor force has become very obvious. Apart from that, there is also a new employment problem for university graduates. It is reported that a total of 740,000 university graduates cannot find jobs.

    Poverty-relief work still in nascent stage.

    The number of people in poverty has dropped from 250 million to 29 million and the poverty rate from 30 per cent to 3 per cent in the past 25 years since adopting the reform and opening policy. However, the current rural absolute poverty standard is below 625 yuan per year for each farmer in China, well below the 900-yuan standard in accordance with the UN international poverty standard. China is now still in the bottleneck stage of poverty reduction.

    Anti-corruption drive should be in line with political system reform

    The institutions involving discipline inspection, supervision, procuratorial work and audition in China have put a lot of human and material resources into anti-corruption campaign. However, the corruptive cases have still occurred one after another. China must perfect the anti-corruption system.

    Sustainable development is seriously hampered by resources, energy and environment

    The per capita resources in China are quite low. The low utilization rate with high extravagance in resources and discharge of pollutants far exceeds the capacity of environmental self-purification. The pollution of water and atmosphere in some river valleys and cities is very serious with aggravating ecological destruction and land desertification in some regions.

    With high-speed economic growth in China in recent years, the people in low-income group are more dissatisfied with their life. That is because the basic prices for food have increased in fast-economic growth. The consumption on food that takes up 50 percent to 60 percent of their total expenditure has a direct impact on their satisfactoriness towards life. Meanwhile the increasing gap between the rich and the poor further influences their social altitude and confidence.

  • PhotoRadarScam January 22, 2010, 2:20 am

    Having visited China in 2008, I’d have to say that it’s all true. Another important thing… China is spending it’s money on infrastructure – generally money well spent. The US is spending money on entitlements and war… money for which there is little ROI. They will soon make aircraft and other high dollar, high tech products that the US and Europe currently are the only makers of. Nothing goes straight up. China may have a bad year or two coming up, but they won’t be that bad, and the up-trend will continue. The recipe is there… you have a nation that wants to grow and exceed, versus the US where the politicians want to impede and hamper growth with more and more taxes and regulations and bureaucracy. It’s no wonder US companies can’t get out fast enough.

  • johnjay January 22, 2010, 1:45 am

    No one doubts China’s ongoing success.
    Our problem here in the States is that they got it off the ground at the expense of the middle class working people of this country.
    How many furniture factores, clothes factories, tire factories, steel mills, etc. were torn out of this country and sent to China with the blessings of the traitors in our Government?
    If there was not a conspiracy to destroy the economy of this country and impoverish its citizens, there might just as well have been.
    We know we’ve been betrayed, that’s why Brown won in Massachusetts.
    All we have ever lacked is credible leadership to enforce our political will.
    However the USA is not quite dead yet.
    Perhaps when China has it’s next food shortage we can sell then corn and wheat at $300 a bushel.